Right. The bet is 25, and the rest is a string-bet attempt. You don't get to drop some chips and then continue dropping more until you decide you're done.
If the release of the 3 red chips was clearly before the verbal, then it's $15. If it were close to the same time, I would rule $30.
And if people don't correct this when it happens, it becomes the norm.
This is absolutely not true. Verbal is only binding if it is BEFORE a physical action. You don't get to put $100 in the pot and then 3 seconds later say $40. Action is binding if it comes first.
This is the crux of the question. If the delay was short or close to instantaneous, i think there's some leeway for the decision maker, but in poker action, 2 full seconds is way past the point of no return.
You can also just call "time" on yourself to stop anyone from acting after you and then verbalize, as you should have done in the first place.
See I don't get that at all, that's pretty standard procedure where I've played. We also have as many limit games as no limit (due to regulations) so that might be part of the reason. I have always understood it's what's released that counts.
I’m sometimes with you on this. I started a string bet rant of my own a few months ago. But this particular method of betting - grabbing a whole stack, reaching them out arm’s length, dropping a few off the bottom, then pulling back the stack - is particularly douchey and I don’t like it.
Oh I understand it. I just don’t like it.
But you hate Holdem too!
This is a good point. And since fumbling chips always means bluff, let him bet his 30 and raise 90!
I played micro stakes hold em only at the last game I attended and had a blast thank you very much.
Oh that’s fair. I don’t want to play with them either. You need dumber friends. Or friends who hate money.
Just to be clear this case was slightly the opposite. Some chips fell backwards behind the line rather than forwards.
Gotcha. Either way the bet across the line was short of the verbal declared amount.
I've fumbled chips before. Bunch of times.
Indeed. I agree if there was a more than reasonable lapse between fumble and verbal declaration, then yes, string bet it is.
I could not disagree more, especially if in the very same post your are concerned about too many theatrics. If the betting line becomes the line of demarcation as you put it, then you invite just about "anything goes" as far as angle shooting so long as it's behind the line. You are also inviting a world where we have to determine action essentially the same way goal line plays are evaluated in the NFL.
As someone who has only been playing serious poker for a little over a year, I would like some clarity on this. When considering my bet, and formulating how much I want to push out, I'll often grab a stack or a few chips and begin to stack and count them next to the rest of my chips. Sometimes adding more or taking some away before eventually pushing out and/or declaring a bet amount. This new stack might be somewhat forward from where they were. But it's well back of the printed betting line on the table we play on. Are you saying as soon as I move chips forward and let go of them, that's my bet? Because that's never been called on me by my group. I've always been of the impression that we do consider the printed line on the felt to be the line of demarcation regarding placing a bet.
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