String betting - the rule that's always invoked for the wrong reason (1 Viewer)

[Taghkanic]

I can’t think of any situation where using two hands to make a small bet would be a good practice. Just leads to trouble. Two hands are for shoving pyramids of barrels all-in.

But yeah, home game, late, drinks, shit happens.

 

[glynn]

Wow I would amend this rule for my game to match the tournament version of the rule - thanks for the pointing it out!

Yes, I have suggested many times that hosts actually read the document on which so many of their rules are based. When you are done amending it to match the game that you are used to playing, it will be so mangled that you will question its relevance as a base, and:

Spoiler

It will look a lot like the TDA rules.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/rulesets-from-the-wayback-machine.102309/#post-2116533

 

[BGinGA]

We call this the Southern Gentleman. 100% legal as long as you HMMPH HMMPH atleast once and put on a heavy drawl.

When facing a $5 bet, I often place out four $5 chips across the betting line, then spread them into piles of one and three -- and then declare, "I see your $5 and raise you $15". With a southern drawl, of course.

Perfectly legal, and can be alarmingly tilting to those that weren't paying attention.

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

It’s pure hell playing with a table of Maverick wannabes that learned poker watching westerns on tv.

Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old. LOL.

And since I got the reference I just did the same thing.

 

[TheYeti]

Uh it is definitely cheating lol.

After review of RRoP, you are correct sir!

"Cards speak (cards read for themselves). However, you are not allowed to claim a better hand than you hold. (Example: If a player calls an "8", that player must produce at least an "8" low or better to win. But if a player erroneously calls the second card incorrectly, such as “8-6” when actually holding an 8-7, no penalty applies.) If you miscall your hand and cause another player to foul his or her hand, your hand is dead. If both hands remain intact, the best hand wins. If a miscalled hand occurs in a multihanded pot, the miscalled hand is dead, and the best remaining hand wins the pot. For your own protection, always hold your hand until you see your opponent’s cards."

 

[upNdown]

Anyhoo… Who won the hand? :^]

I won’t the hand - I had KK; bet about the pot on a low dry flop, which was called by only the string bet complainer, and then he folded to my turn bet. So I got a tidy little profit, but it probably could have been a bunch more, if not for the trouble.

 

[upNdown]

Can i ask - how did you make it 12? did you say raise, then use 2 hands? did you not say nothing then use 2 hands?

can you explain exactly how you made it 12?

Overall i think all of these "how would you call this" questions can be solved easily if you had a set of rules.

mine read like this.

• A player’s first action is binding. Either the voice or action.
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• String Betting - All betting is to be made in one action. Example: I will call your bet and raise… is not allowed. Only the call is legitimate. It is designed to induce a tell from an opponent and is not to occur. In the event of a String Bet, the bettor will be bound to the first move made, whether vocal or physical.

So if you used 2 hands thats 2 actions. Your first action would be what hit the table first in this case that would be the ones. could call or leave the 2 1s there and retrive the 2 5's being the illegal bet or you could fold and leave the 2 1s there or call.

therefore there is no question what happens if you have rules and all these questions are solved.

Get rules and apply them consistently? this stops arguments from happening. it makes the game run smoothly.

Casinos have them - and also have them on display. these are the professionals. they do that for a reason. Everyone should too.

It seriously makes your hosting life easier and more fun. Guaranteed!!!!

I don’t think I said anything before putting in the raise. As I’ve said, I grabbed two chips with one hand and two chips with the other hand at the same time, moved my hands forward at about the same time, and apparently released the two $1s a split second before I released the two $5s.
Now you can tell me that that is two motions, not one, but as somebody else asked, what if both my hands moved and released chips at the exact same time? What do your rules say about that?

I know it’s best to verbalize your bet first. Like I said, this is just a dumb rant, and I was drunk.

 

[upNdown]

It appears that based on the WSOP rules, my raise would have been good:

103. String Bets and Raises: Dealers will be responsible for calling string bets/raises. All Participants at the table are encouraged to assist in calling a string bet/raise if a dealer fails to identify it. A floor person must verify string bets/raises called by a Participant. A string bet/raise is defined as attempting a bet or raise in multiple movements that include a return to a Participant’s stack without a prior verbal declaration of intent or visual deception intended to induce action out of turn before a Participant’s action is complete.

https://www.wsop.com/2022/2023-WSOP-Tournament-Rules.pdf

 

[glynn]

Yeah we got so caught up in all the other stuff that we didn't consider whether it was actually a string bet. I don't think it would be even at Foxwoods (per the OP). It's not the timing of the two drops, it's whether the hands went back for more.

 

[JustinInMN]

It appears that based on the WSOP rules, my raise would have been good:

103. String Bets and Raises: Dealers will be responsible for calling string bets/raises. All Participants at the table are encouraged to assist in calling a string bet/raise if a dealer fails to identify it. A floor person must verify string bets/raises called by a Participant. A string bet/raise is defined as attempting a bet or raise in multiple movements that include a return to a Participant’s stack without a prior verbal declaration of intent or visual deception intended to induce action out of turn before a Participant’s action is complete.

https://www.wsop.com/2022/2023-WSOP-Tournament-Rules.pdf

Perhaps, but then again, I have to point out this admission.

But I was more than half drunk and did it sloppily throwing out two $1s with one hand and two $5s with the other and apparently not quite at the same time.

The lesson here is any player doing anything non-standard risks an interpretation other than his or her intent. There are situations where multiple rulings could be made in good faith. Just because a floor COULD rule in favor of a player's intent, does not at all mean they WILL.

 

[Muschen]

I always told my players, when in doubt - say it out loud, which translates to, do whatever you want but if you dont wanna be called out for some shenanagans just say "raise 17.500" and move your drunk wasted hands with the chips however you want. I dont enforce it but I tell people if you get called out for string betting, only one to blame is you.

Its late, peops getting a little drunk, shit happens but in the end we all are friends and if something accidental happens we all are grown up enough to deal with it properly... BY BURNING THAT PERSON ALIVE... well what I was trying to say, mistakes happen, just to be a bitch about it. We running the game like that for some years already and we never had a problem with it. Sometimes Jimmy knocked over his Chip Stacks right over the betting line, sometimes Cassy loses a chip slipping through her little hands... its no 32 Million Dollar Tournament, be major about it especially if alcohol is already kicking in and keep the game running.

In the end its still for fun, otherwise we would visit a Card Club where rules are stiff and you have to stick with whatever action happend.

 

[Taxi500]

Our house rule is the amount you say outloud "Raise to $12" is what matters, not the action of the raise. We always call out our raises because we drink a lot so verbal > physical bet/raise.

 

[Taghkanic]

Just announce the bet, count the chips out near the rail, and push them in using one motion. It’s really not that hard, and saves dealers and hosts all kinds of headaches, Q.E.D.

 

[jpietrella]

Just announce the bet, count the chips out near the rail, and push them in using one motion. It’s really not that hard, and saves dealers and hosts all kinds of headaches, Q.E.D.

But I was more than half drunk

Sure but easier said than done when you're half in the bag.

 

[Taghkanic]

Sure but easier said than done when you're half in the bag.

If you always have a drink in one hand, it’s impossible to bet with both hands

 

[Frogzilla]

If you always have a drink in one hand, it’s impossible to bet with both hands

Your challenge is of course accepted

 

[Taghkanic]

Your challenge is of course accepted

“Don’t splash the pot”... literally