Dramaha Dealer Error - What would you do? (1 Viewer)

[JustinInMN]

It was two or three players on the flop and betting had been completed. The dealer then accidentally burned and flipped over the turn card before the players had a chance to draw cards. There was a little disagreement about preserving the order of the board cards to come versus preserving the order of the draw cards to come, as well as preserving the chances of the flipped over turn card to be dealt in the community cards again. How would you deal with this?

Oh I got so into responses I didn't answer the original question.

Probably apparent from my last post, but I would say the exposed card goes back in the stub and gets shuffled and cut. Dealer then completes the draw and deals the turn once the draw is complete.

 

[bergs]

I hosted a dealer's choice game last night and had an issue arise that I thought I'd ask the community about. Technically, it was in a Dra2maha game.

It was two or three players on the flop and betting had been completed. The dealer then accidentally burned and flipped over the turn card before the players had a chance to draw cards. There was a little disagreement about preserving the order of the board cards to come versus preserving the order of the draw cards to come, as well as preserving the chances of the flipped over turn card to be dealt in the community cards again. How would you deal with this?

I can explain how I ruled it after hearing from others, but I'm more interested in how others think it should be dealt with, and whether there's a general consensus of how to deal with this error.

Update: Sorry, I should have mentioned that the dealer would deal the burn card and the turn card face down first and then the players would draw cards, so the turn card was always already chosen first before the draw was made.

In the casinos here in AZ, they have the dealer put the exposed turn card in the muck, burn again, and deal what would’ve been the river on the turn. Then deal the players discards. Burn and river as normal. I’ve seen this happen maybe 6-7 times in both casinos here and they’re unusually consistent in how they deal with it.

In a home circus game, no burning and random is random.

 

[bergs]

I don't understand this, the purpose of burning cards is to protect the stub, and greatly deter the benefit of marking cards. Is the stub less worthy of protection in circus games?

If you’re worried about mechanics and people cheating in a home game scenario, the game sucks, find a new game.

There should be a burn after every betting round. When I deal dramaha, I burn before the draw, but the turn is just the next card off the top after completing the draw (since there has been no betting round after the draw.

The problem with not putting the turn our before the draws is that you’re often putting a turn card out that was in someone’s hand, which is weird.

If there is a concern about running out of cards, to make sure the turn and river are never reshuffles, I would sooner suggest a rule that the final 3 cards in the stub must always be set aside and the draw completed from the discards. Playing Draw2maha usually avoids this issue anyway.



Indeed, the way I look at it is the stub is the stub. A player didn't know the order before any errors, nor was the player entitled to know the order before any errors. As long as the contents of the stub are preserved, it doesn't matter the order in which it's shuffled, the probabilities are the same.

 

[JustinInMN]

If you’re worried about mechanics and people cheating in a home game scenario, the game sucks, find a new game.

To be honest, you should always be recruiting in home games, and burning cards properly is a point that shows you do care about protecting this game and signals to would be nefarious newbs (love alliteration) that we follow procedure here. This also attract the players you want, those that appreciate game safeguards.

The problem with not putting the turn our before the draws is that you’re often putting a turn card out that was in someone’s hand, which is weird.

Which is why I suggested the alternative rule that the last 3 cards in the stub (to be used as the turn, river-burn, and river) are never drawn, and first discards/and previous burns may be used to complete a draw.

 

[bergs]

To be honest, you should always be recruiting in home games, and burning cards properly is a point that shows you do care about protecting this game and signals to would be nefarious newbs (love alliteration) that we follow procedure here. This also attract the players you want, those that appreciate game safeguards.

The players I want have livers the size of a VW Bus and tell good stories. Or I could just put up with @Goldfish yelling about boards disappearing when he had quads.

Which is why I suggested the alternative rule that the last 3 cards in the stub (to be used as the turn, river-burn, and river) are never drawn, and first discards/and previous burns may be used to complete a draw.

Take 7 guys, feed them 7.2% DIPAs for 8 hours, and let me know how this goes.

 

[Goldfish]

The players I want have livers the size of a VW Bus and tell good stories. Or I could just put up with @Goldfish yelling about boards disappearing when he had quads.

Take 7 guys, feed them 7.2% DIPAs for 8 hours, and let me know how this goes.

It was kings full ….. get the facts right.

 

[bergs]

It was kings full ….. get the facts right.

We’ll never really know. In this multiverse, that board never actually existed.

POOF! It’s….gone…

 

[bergs]

Just saw the video again. Mitch McConnell did indeed freeze up like Obama nominated another SCOTUS Justice. I’d tell Mitch to hit the road, but some of his chins are probably already there.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Just saw the video again. Mitch McConnell did indeed freeze up like Obama nominated another SCOTUS Justice. I’d tell Mitch to hit the road, but some of his chins are probably already there.

Think thats his tell in Drawmaha?

 

[CraigT78]

Think thats his tell in Drawmaha?

Mitch - it's on you. How many? Mitch? Mitch? Shit, he must be pat.

 

[bergs]

Mitch - it's on you. How many? Mitch? Mitch? Shit, he must be pat.

Old conventional wisdom: Mitch had a medical issue.

New conventional wisdom: Mitch is fine, just snowing the reporters for 2 streets.