Jockey Mold fake casino hotstamp Fractionals - Group Design and Group Buy (1 Viewer)

[upNdown]

I'm not going to be in on these, so , grain of salt, however, if these fractionals are designed to be added to existing people's sets ... Do you think something "geneneric" , such as "Club Casino, Casino Club , Poker" or similar might appeal to a broad range & be able to transfer to/from various cash sets easily?

And I'll most likely only be in for a single rack, so 2 grains of salt, but these chips aren't going to match ANYBODY's sets (unless it's a mixed set, ha) so I don't see the appeal of a generic name, set-matching wise. In my opinion, if the fracs don't match your set, generically named fracs aren't any "closer" to matching your set.
If you're arguing that a generic name will appeal to a broader base of potential buyers, you might have a point. It wouldn't appeal to me, personally. I don't like things that pretend to be something they're not, like a generic sounding name that just could maybe possibly sound like it's a real chip.
My 2 cents

 

[Shaggy]

Saying this before the vote starts so that you understand my commitment level, @Shaggy - Moe's Tavern is probably the one name I'm 100% out on. I love me some simpsons, but I have no desire to blend that show with another poker set/theme at all.

I also have no desire to influence the vote. Folks want Moe's? All good. I'm in for a sample! Just not a rack.

If that name has legs, it is possible to get it on a denomination that you are not interested in. Similarly, if there is enough interest to get a Moe's on a denom and enough interest for something else on the same denom, that works too. In my mind, if there are three people interested in a specific hotstamp, those three are splitting the ~$80 die cost. As long as that doesn't leave one or two people out in the cold, it should fly.

I'm not going to be in on these, so , grain of salt, however, if these fractionals are designed to be added to existing people's sets ... Do you think something "geneneric" , such as "Club Casino, Casino Club , Poker" or similar might appeal to a broad range & be able to transfer to/from various cash sets easily?

The original intent from my perspective was to add a micro frac to an already mixed set. So it is generic in that sense... even with a specific name. My preference is that it has the "feel" of being an actual casino or card room... so something ultra generic like "poker" won't get my vote.

 

[Shaggy]

And I'll most likely only be in for a single rack, so 2 grains of salt, but these chips aren't going to match ANYBODY's sets (unless it's a mixed set, ha) so I don't see the appeal of a generic name, set-matching wise. In my opinion, if the fracs don't match your set, generically named fracs aren't any "closer" to matching your set.
If you're arguing that a generic name will appeal to a broader base of potential buyers, you might have a point. It wouldn't appeal to me, personally. I don't like things that pretend to be something they're not, like a generic sounding name that just could maybe possibly sound like it's a real chip.
My 2 cents

Agreed about the generic name. I would prefer a fake name that sounds totally plausible... instead of "could possibly be a real casino."

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Is this a one time GB or do you see reruns in the future or is CPC thinking about offering these as a semi custom option? I am Tapped out currently with the other GB's going on, but would probably be a player in a few months. How fast do you plan on making this a reality?

 

[Shaggy]

Is this a one time GB or do you see reruns in the future or is CPC thinking about offering these as a semi custom option? I am Tapped out currently with the other GB's going on, but would probably be a player in a few months. How fast do you plan on making this a reality?

No discussions with CPC regarding this being a semi custom option. I would imagine that this GB could be re-run in the future if there is enough interest to meet the minimums... just 300 chips. I would be more inclined to just make these dies available to any PCF member in the future. During a re-run, the dies will no longer need to be purchased, so the cost per chip would conceivably go down. I don't know how other participants feel about fronting the cost for the dies and allowing a future person to leverage the dies at no cost. I personally am fine with it from the perspective that it really isn't that expensive... and the first participants will get to have greater input on name selection and denomination selection.

I don't know when the Jockey mold is scheduled to be run at CPC. I would expect that this GB's order will be able to be placed in about a month. It is likely possible to add to the order as long as you know far enough in advance. I will inquire with @David Spragg, but I anticipate your "few months" will be perfectly acceptable.

 

[Shaggy]

Saying this before the vote starts so that you understand my commitment level, @Shaggy - Moe's Tavern is probably the one name I'm 100% out on. I love me some simpsons, but I have no desire to blend that show with another poker set/theme at all.

I also have no desire to influence the vote. Folks want Moe's? All good. I'm in for a sample! Just not a rack.

Thinking more about your concern... that's part of the reason why I like the Red's Tavern name. It pays homage to Moe's Tavern... but doesn't scream "SIMPSONS." Its subtle. See my link in post 12 for the details.

 

[Shaggy]

Casino Name Suggestions: (All Las Vegas, NV or Louisville, KY)
Saddle Club
Silver Shoe
Crown Club
Trifecta Club

These names just clicked with me... horse racing references... jockey mold... like.

 

[Shaggy]

Poll posted here:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/jockey-mold-hotstamp-frac-naming-poll.20030/

 

[Shaggy]

The Jockey mold is not scheduled at all right now as there are no outstanding orders for it and there haven’t been for 6 months now.
Like any other mold it will be scheduled as and when there is sufficient demand to warrant the costs of installing it. That is going to mean total paid orders of at least 1500-2000 chips including yours.

Don’t forget there are die setup charges. So in addition to the cost of the dies, there is a $26 charge to set the first one up, and then $10.50 each time the die is changed. Multiple changes are therefore going to add costs. Until you know exactly what the final order is you won’t be able to determine the total cost and therefore won’t know how much to charge people. Just bear that in mind. If you have multiple colors wanting the same stamp, don’t assume they would all be stamped in one run. Each chip color needs different temperature and pressure applied so most stamping tends to be done by color rather than denom. The setup charges cover the time lost physically changing dies and centering them, plus chip wastage getting the settings right. There are no possible shortcuts.

The costs are all here:
[URL]http://www.classicpokerchips.com/pokerchips/realclay/hotstamps.htm[/URL]

David

I received the above email response from David Spragg in regards to this order. The key take away is that we may have to wait a little while for enough Jockey mold orders to get in the queue... unless our order reaches 1500 chips. This is good news for @RowdyRawhide.

The other take away is that my OP did not include the $26 initial set up charge for hotstamping and subsequent die changing charges. Additionally, the nugget about multiple colors wanting the same stamp, and stamping being done by color rather than denom. This will incur additional die changes that aren't immediately obvious if you assume the die will be installed and ALL chips requiring that die will then be stamped. That is not the case.

I don't see this information as being problematic, just part of the process I wanted to share. When we get to the phase of actual selection and ordering, I will generate a spreadsheet that captures the preliminary costs. Once the order is placed, David will be able to provide a final price based including all setup costs. These costs will be shared on a per chip basis by the group.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

I received the above email response from David Spragg in regards to this order. The key take away is that we may have to wait a little while for enough Jockey mold orders to get in the queue... unless our order reaches 1500 chips. This is good news for @RowdyRawhide.

The other take away is that my OP did not include the $26 initial set up charge for hotstamping and subsequent die changing charges. Additionally, the nugget about multiple colors wanting the same stamp, and stamping being done by color rather than denom. This will incur additional die changes that aren't immediately obvious if you assume the die will be installed and ALL chips requiring that die will then be stamped. That is not the case.

I don't see this information as being problematic, just part of the process I wanted to share. When we get to the phase of actual selection and ordering, I will generate a spreadsheet that captures the preliminary costs. Once the order is placed, David will be able to provide a final price based including all setup costs. These costs will be shared on a per chip basis by the group.

Thanks for the update

 

[detroitdad]

I'm interested in a rack of quarters

 

[Shaggy]

Results are in. See the poll thread here:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/jockey-mold-hotstamp-frac-naming-poll.20030/#post-370218

The top names are listed below.

The discussion on the next steps is stated in the poll thread. Look for mockups here in about a week. Feel free to post questions/comments here.

 

[pltrgyst]

This is a very bad joke, right? I mean, I'm from Jersey, went to college in Hoboken, and anything from Jersey City would just be a horrible idea.

Even people from Jersey and New York don't really have any idea where Jersey City is.

That said, I'm thankful, for my own interests, that the El Rancho didn't make it.

 

[Shaggy]

This is a very bad joke, right? I mean, I'm from Jersey, went to college in Hoboken, and anything from Jersey City would just be a horrible idea.

Even people from Jersey and New York don't really have any idea where Jersey City is.

That said, I'm thankful, for my own interests, that the El Rancho didn't make it.

Why would Jersey City be a horrible idea? The inspiration for Red's Tavern was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Also, El Rancho has made the cut... sorry... shall I put you down for 4 racks?

 

[Shaggy]

Sneak peak. Many more to come in the next few days.

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[Shaggy]

Here are the images of the concepts for the 6 casinos listed above. For the purposes of identification, use the casino name and (from left to right) A, B, C, D, etc.

Red's Tavern

Two Bit Saloon

Silver Shoe

Saddle Club

Moe's Tavern

El Rancho

 

[Shaggy]

Right now, I am looking for feedback and input on tweaks. You'll notice that some concepts only contain a single denom... also there are no nickels shown... for the most part, the denom on all the chips is the same. There are minor elements that are different, like a tilted "c" symbol.

These concepts should help you determine which "casino" name you are most interested in.

If you would like to tinker with the Chip Design Tool yourself to put the inlay on a chip color of your choosing, I can upload the preliminary artwork.

There are some names that just didn't work out well graphically (imho)... and other names that worked out so well graphically, that opinions may change on whether or not to order/vote for a given name.

Moving forward...
Please post in this thread with a more firm commitment (still not fully committed) of the casino name, denomination, chip color, hotstamp color (silver or gold) and quantity in the following format. Only post once. Edit your post if you change your mind. This is not the order thread... this is purely to get a more firm idea of what casino's and denominations people are interested in. If you did not participate up to this point in the voting thread, but you are interested in buying now that you see the artwork, please reply below with a vote/quantity. Let's have this effort completed by June 2 (two weeks).

Username
Casino Name - Denomination - Chip Color - Hotstamp Color - Quantity - preferred style (if applicable)

Example:
@Shaggy
Red's Tavern - 10 cent - chocolate - gold - 110 - A
El Rancho - 25 cent - blurple - gold - 110

 

[RowdyRawhide]

personally I think I am only interested in the Two Bit Saloon but would prefer something similar to the following font and would be interested in seeing it in all caps too

Not huge fan of the numbers here but something similar to the Railroad Pass quarters would be good

 

[Shaggy]

updated 5/23

 

[Shaggy]

personally I think I am only interested in the Two Bit Saloon but would prefer something similar to the following font and would be interested in seeing it in all caps too

View attachment 99243

Not huge fan of the numbers here but something similar to the Railroad Pass quarters would be good

Do you have a name for that font? I'll see if we can work up a concept.

 

[Quicksilver-75]

What about a Hard Candy version? No?

 

[TheBigTater]

TheBigTater
Silver Shoe - 5 cent - blurple - gold - 120 - style A (far left)
Silver Shoe - 25 cent - chocolate - gold - 120 - style A (far left)

Really like this name/stamp style on the Jockey mold, all around winner for me.

 

[chipjoker]

OM Goodness @Quicksilver-75 NO!!!!!!

 

[Shaggy]

What about a Hard Candy version? No?

Unfortunately its too late... the name poll has closed... in the nick of time... phew!

 

[Quicksilver-75]

So by extension it's probably too late for Dinosaur Accountant Club?

 

[Blaster]

Cucumber Cowboys?

 

[Shaggy]

no jokes in a serious thread

 

[Shaggy]

@RowdyRawhide I've updated the two-bit saloon to use a font similar to the one you requested. See above post. Thoughts?

 

[NiceShot]

Interested. Need some time to think on order and amounts.

 

[ceramicmike]

Two Bit Saloon - 5c - Blurple - gold - 150 - A