China Clay Chips Comparison (1 Viewer)

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Drop 10 chips (marked) into a pot of 40 chips (un-marked/pot chips) - atleast 100 times from 12 inches, weight the flea bites on the table too after since thats also part of the science

EDIT: As much as you can sweep up*
Okay, been doing some experimentation using the procedure above. Chips dropped one at a time, often hitting the previously dropped chip edge first. Here are some results. Note, all chips unused before testing. Rotated chips to show damaged areas for photo.

Chips tested so far.
Blue Spirit 4D14
Purple Spirit 4D14
Green Great Wall 4D14
Paulson sample set

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Notes: One chip broke along join of white to blue. Damage mostly in white. Just as hard to break the blue chip in one hand as the purple.
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Paulson before
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Paulson after

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Also of note:
1) other than the pieces of the broken blue chip, there weren't enough flea bites to register on my 0.00g scale.
2) the chips in the pot don't show anywhere near as much damage as the chips being tested so moving forward I'll use the same purple chips as the 'pot'.
 
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I think the test conditions are good for comparison purposes but suspect they are harsher than real world conditions. I don't see any flea bites in the same green Great Wall and also black Great Wall chips I've used for tournaments for the past at least 7 years. The chips have never been oiled, just wiped with a dry microfiber cloth when first taking them out their sleeves.
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Here are some more results. Finished testing the rest of the Spirit mold chips. Reposted the blue and purple images so all the Spirit molds are in one post.
My guess is the yellow chips are unplayable. The blue chips are marginal. The rest are playable.
Based on the images, best to worst would be Orange, White, Purple, Pink, Red, Green, Black, Blue, Yellow.

Chips tested
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Paulson for reference
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Orange Spirit Whirlwind
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White Spirit Whirlwind
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Purple Spirit Whirlwind
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Pink Spirit 6 Strip
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Red Spirit 6 Strip
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Green Spirit 6 Strip
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Black Spirit 6 Strip
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Blue Spirit Whirlwind - one chip broke during testing.
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Yellow Spirit 6 Strip
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I sent the samples off to you today.
From the printing on the boxes it looks like the manufacturer is Maxum Eastont, with styles as follows:
Great Wall (key like mold) - white, red, blue, green, black, purple, orange
Whirlwind (spirit with 4D14 edge spots and $ labels) - white ($1), blue ($10), purple ($500), orange ($1000)
6 Stripe (spirit with 614 edge spots) - red, green, black, pink, yellow
Sure. Looks like there may be two manufacturers. View attachment 789006
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Maxim Eastont - Great Wall and 6 Stripe



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Whirlwind - Aurora T. P.
All of the original spirit mold chips were produced by Eastony Industries. The "spirit" mold marking was their corporate logo, and described on their web site. The term 'Aurora' was later used to define a brand for that specific line of chips. They also produced the reverse-J style of Greek key mold china clays (Progen-80).

The cleaner-look reverse-L style Greek key mold was made by a different (and never-disclosed) Chinese manufacturer for Palm Gaming International (PGI), using PGI-supplied materials that theoretically created a better chip via better quality control (no recycled products). PGI referred to these solid-color and 4D14-spotted chips as Greek key chips, while one of their distributors called their own specific-label chip line 'Wallsons' using the 'Great Wall' mold. PGI later had 8V-spotted chips made as well, using the same manufacturer and process.

The original Dunes Commemorative, Desert Palms, and Pharaoh's Club china clay chips were imported by TheChipRoom, and presumably made by Eastony (but never confirmed by TCR). TCR also later had created and offered reverse-S (script) mold chips with an 8V spot pattern and no label.
 
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All of the original spirit mold chips were produced by Eastony Industries. The "spirit" mold marking was their corporate logo, and described on their web site. The term 'Aurora' was later used to define a brand for that specific line of chips. They also produced the reverse-J style of Greek key mold china clays (Progen-80).

The cleaner-look reverse-L style Greek key mold was made by a different (and never-disclosed) Chinese manufacturer for Palm Gaming International (PGI), using PGI-supplied materials that theoretically created a better chip via better quality control (no recycled products). PGI referred to these solid-color and 4D14-spotted chips as Greek key chips, while one of their distributors called their own specific-label chip line 'Wallsons' using the 'Great Wall' mold. PGI later had 8V-spotted chips made as well, using the same manufacturer and process.

The original Dunes Commemorative, Desert Palms, and Pharaoh's Club china clay chips were imported by TheChipRoom, and presumably made by Eastony (but never confirmed by TCR). TCR also later had created and offered reverse-S (script) mold chips with an 8V spot pattern and no label.
I remember Wallson's..... back when sanding your Nexgen's smooth was a thing and people frowned upon Casino Aztar for being dirty/worn while celebrating the recently available Paulson New Yorks.... Then i stopped following chiptalk for years returning to the poker forums last year. Chip sets are far more extravagant than they were on average back around ~2000.....perhaps all of us degenerate 20's/30's year olds (in 2000) grew up with more refined tastes.....
 

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In my (significantly limited) experience, CCs can look and sound like Paulsons, but they do not feel close to the same. China clays to me feel slippery especially if they are oiled. Paulsons grip other chips really well and are not ultra “smooth”, they have a natural clay texture to them.

My first real set was Majestics and after upgrading from dice chips, I was blown away and really pleased. Unfortunately for my wallet, Paulson chips are another huge step up and once you try them it’s hard not to be a snob!
 

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Finally finished testing the Great Wall chips.
Test conditions: 10 chips (marked) dropped into a pot of 40 chips (un-marked/pot chips) - atleast 100 times from 12 inches.
Chips rotated to show the most damage. Tried to order the photos from best to worst. To my eyes, there isn't as much difference between chip colors as the Spirit chips.
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Once again, Paulson chips for reference.


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