jpietrella
4 of a Kind
Eff that. Let's make the right decision.
Which by the way, I think is a clear call. I guess if he has a set he's got a set. GG Johnny.
A hand against Johnny C in $25/$50 NLHE (1 Viewer)
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Which by the way, I think is a clear call. I guess if he has a set he's got a set. GG Johnny.
Rakrul
Straight
The meta runs deep here.
He knows that you know that he knows that you're repping overpair and he still shoves. Or does he include Ax in your range?. He doesn't do this dead but has at least pair + draw, overcard + pair, combo draw, maybe even draws with overs.
Hands that have you beat now are straights (mostly) without FD, two pairs, sets and the occasional tricky overpair.
Your 2/3 pot bet polarizes V's possible future actions down to all in/fold. If he has a draw and hits, he likely won't get paid (much) and he has almost a potsized raise here so you get about 2:1 which means you should fold your bottom 2/3 of your range.
This is why I oppose betting big on either street. You're basically punting in 200bb on an overpair and I doubt it's profitable in the long run.
I'm afraid the mistake on turn costs you money, no matter what you do now. Anyways, it's draw heavy board and there are more cards drawing than have you crushed so you kind of have to call here the way you played. He could still have you on overplayed Ax but I doubt it.
He knows that you know that he knows that you're repping overpair and he still shoves. Or does he include Ax in your range?. He doesn't do this dead but has at least pair + draw, overcard + pair, combo draw, maybe even draws with overs.
Hands that have you beat now are straights (mostly) without FD, two pairs, sets and the occasional tricky overpair.
Your 2/3 pot bet polarizes V's possible future actions down to all in/fold. If he has a draw and hits, he likely won't get paid (much) and he has almost a potsized raise here so you get about 2:1 which means you should fold your bottom 2/3 of your range.
This is why I oppose betting big on either street. You're basically punting in 200bb on an overpair and I doubt it's profitable in the long run.
I'm afraid the mistake on turn costs you money, no matter what you do now. Anyways, it's draw heavy board and there are more cards drawing than have you crushed so you kind of have to call here the way you played. He could still have you on overplayed Ax but I doubt it.
Frogzilla
4 of a Kind
don’t hate a fold because of the 
and even 
isn’t great, you’d prefer to unblock backdoor.
But also it’s a good hand and maybe all JJ call here even the worst one. Could be an overbluffed spot.
My best guess at counting combos
Value
3x 88, 2x 98s at 50% freq, 3x trapped 99 at 67% freq, 3x 55 that called pre at 33% freq
7 value combos and you have 5% equity
Didn’t give him any 67s or 22 OOP v 3!
Bluffers
JTdd, A4cc, A3cc, AQcc, ATcc, KQcc, A5cc all at 75% freq.
5.75 combos and you have 80% equity
Rough math equity v range is 35%ish which is right around the odds you’re getting.
and even isn’t great, you’d prefer to unblock backdoor.But also it’s a good hand and maybe all JJ call here even the worst one. Could be an overbluffed spot.
My best guess at counting combos
Value
3x 88, 2x 98s at 50% freq, 3x trapped 99 at 67% freq, 3x 55 that called pre at 33% freq
7 value combos and you have 5% equity
Didn’t give him any 67s or 22 OOP v 3!
Bluffers
JTdd, A4cc, A3cc, AQcc, ATcc, KQcc, A5cc all at 75% freq.
5.75 combos and you have 80% equity
Rough math equity v range is 35%ish which is right around the odds you’re getting.
Rakrul
Straight
I don't think you can eliminate those when you're almost 250bb deep.
Frogzilla
4 of a Kind
My thinking was 6x open so plays more like 150bb deep and in addition to being a spicy pre line both like to check raise flop a lot
MrCatPants
Full House
Agree with the prior comment about two streets of value. Was too slow, but wasn't sure whether it was a check back on turn and go for value on river type of hand.
There's more bluffs and semi bluffs here that make this move for value than value hands, and several of those value hands you still have a couple outs against. I lean call.
There's more bluffs and semi bluffs here that make this move for value than value hands, and several of those value hands you still have a couple outs against. I lean call.
BukNaked36
Straight
Call
We're likely ahead and it's less than a pot sized bet.
Only way we don't call is if our read is that JC is a nit and I don't think that's the case.
We're likely ahead and it's less than a pot sized bet.
Only way we don't call is if our read is that JC is a nit and I don't think that's the case.
Rakrul
Straight
Fair enough. I wouldn't think it happens often but it would certainly throw off the opponents when he feels creative which I guess the old school does more than the GTO heads.
It’s significant that V is Johnny F’in Chan and Hero is known to have deep pockets and has made numerous aggressive bluffs in multiple televised games recently. Which is why I assume JC is expecting Hero to call here given the odds provided. Hence why I think Hero should fold.
TheDuke
Full House
Don't fall for it!! Don't be Eric Seidel.
He's the master! He's Johnny f@cking Chan!
He's the master! He's Johnny f@cking Chan!
bergs
Royal Flush
I feel like he had 67, 78, 89, or 9T. Turned straight we’re dead. Pair of 8s or 9s effective we win. He has 2 pair we can river a higher two pair. I’m sticking it in.
bergs
Royal Flush
I already made this joke, lol.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
The math is easy. You have been running like the sun, so the river will be the one outer that gives you the best set.
Luck > Maths.
Luck > Maths.
Samuel
Straight
Feels like he has queens or a set... But I'm e-scared most of the time when I play NLHE so...
OP
OP
Conclusion:
$25/$50 game at the Bike last night. Playing a bit more like $50/$100.
4 hours into the game, hero has bought in for $2k, is sitting at $18k, sunrunning.
V is Johnny Chan, in for $5k, sitting at $11k or so. We are 9-handed.
Hero has in the CO.
V is UTG+2. Opens for $300.
Folds to hero.
Hero decides on a standard 3-bet here. Raises to $1000.
Action folds to villain.
He calls.
Pot is now $2075.
Flop is
Villain checks.
So far, this is all pretty standard for an C-bet, and the flop seems well in our favor. We opt for a pretty standard C-bet size, and bet out $900. We want to fold out some of his range, but keep him in the hunt where we have an EV advantage.
Villain thinks for a bit (he acts slowly in general, no matter what the move) and calls.
Turn is
Villain checks.
Pot is now $3875.
This card is not the worst, but it does start to fill out some of V's expected range. AXc now has a flush draw, 8s have filled out, 67s has hit its gutter, etc. That said, we're still ahead most of the time with our Js, and given the lack of a 4-bet, we're discounting Qs, Ks and Aces. We decide to barrel again.
Hero bets $2600.
Villain tanks. We're trying to avoid eye contact by staring at the loose chip stack in the middle of the table, and while the pot itself isn't HUGE, this is J fucking C, and he has the same initials as Jesus, and is one letter advanced from James Bond and Jason Bourne, and we are nervous, ffs.
In fact, he tanks for so long that we eventually look up at him, and we find him staring at us. Steel, pure damn steel.
He then pushes a stack of chips forward, and says "All in."
We ask the dealer to pull in the $2600, and get a count of what's left.
Dealer announces that it's $7475.
We are extremely miffed by this bet. Now, not only do we have to deal with the fact that Johnny effing Chan has us in a pressure cooker, but we have to consider that our read is wrong.
What could he be shoving with? What does he think we have that would make us call? Surely he can tell we have an overpair. Which means he really wants us to call, if he has 8s, 9s, or other hidden hands like 89s.
Or, could he have a combo draw? We’re a bit too nervous to think clearly. But something must be done, everyone is staring.
In the end, we decide a call is best because we’re most likely still ahead. We settle on him having a flush draw or combo draw — like AXc, 9c7c, etc.
We call, and ask how many times he wants to run it.
He says “once”.
River is
He turns over
. He missed!
We sunran that night, till 11am the next morning. We felted 5 of the 8 other players, including the villain twice.
In for $2000. Out for $114,000.
$25/$50 game at the Bike last night. Playing a bit more like $50/$100.
4 hours into the game, hero has bought in for $2k, is sitting at $18k, sunrunning.
V is Johnny Chan, in for $5k, sitting at $11k or so. We are 9-handed.
Hero has
in the CO.V is UTG+2. Opens for $300.
Folds to hero.
Hero decides on a standard 3-bet here. Raises to $1000.
Action folds to villain.
He calls.
Pot is now $2075.
Flop is
Villain checks.
So far, this is all pretty standard for an C-bet, and the flop seems well in our favor. We opt for a pretty standard C-bet size, and bet out $900. We want to fold out some of his range, but keep him in the hunt where we have an EV advantage.
Villain thinks for a bit (he acts slowly in general, no matter what the move) and calls.
Turn is
Villain checks.
Pot is now $3875.
This card is not the worst, but it does start to fill out some of V's expected range. AXc now has a flush draw, 8s have filled out, 67s has hit its gutter, etc. That said, we're still ahead most of the time with our Js, and given the lack of a 4-bet, we're discounting Qs, Ks and Aces. We decide to barrel again.
Hero bets $2600.
Villain tanks. We're trying to avoid eye contact by staring at the loose chip stack in the middle of the table, and while the pot itself isn't HUGE, this is J fucking C, and he has the same initials as Jesus, and is one letter advanced from James Bond and Jason Bourne, and we are nervous, ffs.
In fact, he tanks for so long that we eventually look up at him, and we find him staring at us. Steel, pure damn steel.
He then pushes a stack of chips forward, and says "All in."
We ask the dealer to pull in the $2600, and get a count of what's left.
Dealer announces that it's $7475.
We are extremely miffed by this bet. Now, not only do we have to deal with the fact that Johnny effing Chan has us in a pressure cooker, but we have to consider that our read is wrong.
What could he be shoving with? What does he think we have that would make us call? Surely he can tell we have an overpair. Which means he really wants us to call, if he has 8s, 9s, or other hidden hands like 89s.
Or, could he have a combo draw? We’re a bit too nervous to think clearly. But something must be done, everyone is staring.
In the end, we decide a call is best because we’re most likely still ahead. We settle on him having a flush draw or combo draw — like AXc, 9c7c, etc.
We call, and ask how many times he wants to run it.
He says “once”.
River is
He turns over
. He missed!We sunran that night, till 11am the next morning. We felted 5 of the 8 other players, including the villain twice.
In for $2000. Out for $114,000.
bergs
Royal Flush
Nice call. I didn’t consider A9cc but it makes perfect sense.
Cool hand…those chips suck.
jpietrella
4 of a Kind
Max. Pain.
This has me thinking…you should convince the producers of one of these live streams to let you bring in a sick grail set. That would make for some entertaining poker…
NoNamePokerGuy
Two Pair
All I was thinking was I couldn't live with my self if he rolled over a bluff because it's JC.
And it was Johnny fn' Chan. tada.... 
RagingAZN
Two Pair
Conclusion:
$25/$50 game at the Bike last night. Playing a bit more like $50/$100.
4 hours into the game, hero has bought in for $2k, is sitting at $18k, sunrunning.
V is Johnny Chan, in for $5k, sitting at $11k or so. We are 9-handed.
Hero has
V is UTG+2. Opens for $300.
Folds to hero.
Hero decides on a standard 3-bet here. Raises to $1000.
Action folds to villain.
He calls.
Pot is now $2075.
Flop is
Villain checks.
So far, this is all pretty standard for an C-bet, and the flop seems well in our favor. We opt for a pretty standard C-bet size, and bet out $900. We want to fold out some of his range, but keep him in the hunt where we have an EV advantage.
Villain thinks for a bit (he acts slowly in general, no matter what the move) and calls.
Turn is
Villain checks.
Pot is now $3875.
This card is not the worst, but it does start to fill out some of V's expected range. AXc now has a flush draw, 8s have filled out, 67s has hit its gutter, etc. That said, we're still ahead most of the time with our Js, and given the lack of a 4-bet, we're discounting Qs, Ks and Aces. We decide to barrel again.
Hero bets $2600.
Villain tanks. We're trying to avoid eye contact by staring at the loose chip stack in the middle of the table, and while the pot itself isn't HUGE, this is J fucking C, and he has the same initials as Jesus, and is one letter advanced from James Bond and Jason Bourne, and we are nervous, ffs.
In fact, he tanks for so long that we eventually look up at him, and we find him staring at us. Steel, pure damn steel.
He then pushes a stack of chips forward, and says "All in."
We ask the dealer to pull in the $2600, and get a count of what's left.
Dealer announces that it's $7475.
We are extremely miffed by this bet. Now, not only do we have to deal with the fact that Johnny effing Chan has us in a pressure cooker, but we have to consider that our read is wrong.
What could he be shoving with? What does he think we have that would make us call? Surely he can tell we have an overpair. Which means he really wants us to call, if he has 8s, 9s, or other hidden hands like 89s.
Or, could he have a combo draw? We’re a bit too nervous to think clearly. But something must be done, everyone is staring.
In the end, we decide a call is best because we’re most likely still ahead. We settle on him having a flush draw or combo draw — like AXc, 9c7c, etc.
We call, and ask how many times he wants to run it.
He says “once”.
River is
He turns over
We sunran that night, till 11am the next morning. We felted 5 of the 8 other players, including the villain twice.
In for $2000. Out for $114,000.
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Now you can finally get a new T-shirt!
Great score bro, may your run good continue.
OP
OP
Now you can finally get a new T-shirt!
Apparently, wearing vintage tees anywhere except Brooklyn or LA makes you look homeless.
Apparently, wearing vintage tees anywhere except Brooklyn or LA makes you look homeless.
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You ARE kinda homeless right now though…
Samuel
Straight
Now you can finally get a new T-shirt!
Great score bro, may your run good continue.
OP
OP
NeutronHim
Pair
Easy to be results oriented here, but I think we gotta look at the bigger picture. When he ships a9cc against your perceived-overpaid range, he's not merging (especially because a9cc makes an AMAZING call -- call if he thinks you can have air every once in a while, as he has your bluffs drawing dead and might beat a single combo of t9 or something.) He's shipping it because he reads you as having nothing but overpairs and maybe ak here, and he has the single best bluffing combination against that range: it blocks AA, blocks 99, AND has equity when called! (and he probably thinks hes always behind ott.)
Don't know anything about this player, but if your range is really overpairs/AK and the guy is a somewhat thinking player, then JJ just has to go into the muck (especially blocking AJcc.) If you think the guy is bluffing more than 1/4 of the time here, then sure you can snap it off, but I think its hard to find more than just ajcc atcc (and apparently a9cc) and maybe tjxx because aqcc and ak+ are likely to be 4bet by him. 99 88 98 67 55 gets you to like 14 combos, he has 2+4=6 bluffs, but his bluffs have around 20% equity each against you so its more like he has 14.2 combos of value and 4.8 bluffs. You have 25.2% here, which means you really just go purely based on reads.
Don't know anything about this player, but if your range is really overpairs/AK and the guy is a somewhat thinking player, then JJ just has to go into the muck (especially blocking AJcc.) If you think the guy is bluffing more than 1/4 of the time here, then sure you can snap it off, but I think its hard to find more than just ajcc atcc (and apparently a9cc) and maybe tjxx because aqcc and ak+ are likely to be 4bet by him. 99 88 98 67 55 gets you to like 14 combos, he has 2+4=6 bluffs, but his bluffs have around 20% equity each against you so its more like he has 14.2 combos of value and 4.8 bluffs. You have 25.2% here, which means you really just go purely based on reads.
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