New York, huh? Maybe you've done some time at the Borgata? I suppose if you got used to those chips, that could explain why you see thing differently. I had a shuffle stack of Borgata $1's for a while. Too different for me - I just didn't want to get used to them. I'll stick with clay.
Why aren't 3D printed poker chips a thing? (1 Viewer)
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And I'll take that bet, for any amount of money.
Unless they have been fine-grit sanded or otherwise doctored, there is no plastic casino-style chip on earth with stacking stability nearing clay chip (or even 43mm hybrid ceramic) levels.
Okey-dokey.
Hey, it's measurable science, not my opinion. @Poker Zombie has also conducted controlled experiments. Us poker chip nerds do some weird stuff.
I do have some sanded plastics that stack pretty damn well, but it's a lot of work to do an entire set.
Okey-dokey.
Post #3 on this thread has a video I made that demonstrates the so-called "slipperiness" and "stackability" liabilities of high end plastic chips:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-help-cover-shipping-only-until-apr-15.53976/
My apologies for the blurriness of the video - at the time I had not yet discovered that autofocus is default for still shots, but turned off for video.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-help-cover-shipping-only-until-apr-15.53976/
My apologies for the blurriness of the video - at the time I had not yet discovered that autofocus is default for still shots, but turned off for video.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I will replicate this experiment later today with some assorted Paulsons vs. Bud Jones and post the results.
I’m not arguing that Plastic is less slippery than clay, I agreed with @BGinGA after both of his posts. I was exaggerating when I said that the chips I had were as stable as any clay chips, but I will maintain, there were no slipperiness issues in the games I played with them. They were somewhat slippery, yes, but they didn’t cause any issues, which I can’t say for some of the plastics I have owned. That stableness was probably due to them being oversized, so there was more surface area, which resulted in more surface tension. So, all I’m saying is I like plastics, I won’t stop liking plastics, and that’s my opinion.
Fwiw, I don't think anybody here is trying to make you dislike plastics. I couldn't care less what specific chips people like -- it's a totally subjective and personal decision, and a matter of taste.
But for unknowing members who ask about various chips of different construction, I feel compelled to point out both the deficiencies and the positive attributes of the various options. Some people take offense at chips they personally like being categorized as something other than 'perfect'.
But for unknowing members who ask about various chips of different construction, I feel compelled to point out both the deficiencies and the positive attributes of the various options. Some people take offense at chips they personally like being categorized as something other than 'perfect'.
And my daughter was somewhat pregnant, too. Still pregnant.
Yes, and that is also true of other material types, whether it be plastics, ceramics, clay, or ceramic hybrids. In addition to the larger size creating more surface contact area, the extra weight of the larger chips also assists in stability.
Plastic chips aren’t perfect, but I’ll still be personally offended any time somebody says they’re not good enough for poker chip enthusiasts.
Yeah, I didn't agree with that statement, either. Maybe better if he had worded it as "clay chip enthusiasts".
But your rebuttal statement about plastic chips rings a few false bells, too:
From the factory, plastics are not cheaper than clays, at least not if comparing high-end plastics. And I'm not convinced that high-end plastics beat clays in the weight category, either, although that's a bit more subjective. I'll give you durability, although properly cared for, either will last a lifetime.
But your rebuttal statement about plastic chips rings a few false bells, too:
From the factory, plastics are not cheaper than clays, at least not if comparing high-end plastics. And I'm not convinced that high-end plastics beat clays in the weight category, either, although that's a bit more subjective. I'll give you durability, although properly cared for, either will last a lifetime.
Pricing can change depending on the chip and manufacturer, so for the cheaper ones it beats it, but the more high-end ones are pricier, then again, they’re usually targeted towards casinos, who will benefit from the extra durability. I will say, however, in the weight category, I know almost all high-end plastics companies offer both heavier and lighter options, so I’d say that’s a benefit. Also, there’s so much variance between plastics, that you can’t really make statements that cover all of them. You’ve got faux clays, ABS, Nylon, Ceramics, so a blanket statement like the one he made doesn’t really work.
That’s fair, I pretty much just woke up, and was pissed off by that statement, especially since I’m getting custom plastics soon, and wanted to defend my choices.
TheDuke
Full House
My completely biased generalization:
Clay > Ceramic >>>>>>>>> Plastic > Garbage
Perhaps people who love plastic and garbage may be personally offended. My apologies to garbage enthusiasts.
Clay > Ceramic >>>>>>>>> Plastic > Garbage
Perhaps people who love plastic and garbage may be personally offended. My apologies to garbage enthusiasts.
Well, ceramics are just printed plastic, so if you’re gonna generalize between all types of plastics, include that too.My completely biased generalization:
Clay > Ceramic >>>>>>>>> Plastic > Garbage
Perhaps people who love plastic and garbage may be personally offended. My apologies to garbage enthusiasts.
I’ll tell you what. If my only choices were clay and plastic. And my only clay choice was a set of bike tires, I’d probably go with a good set of high end plastics.
Because bike tires are slippery and they handle badly and they’re kind of sad.
Because bike tires are slippery and they handle badly and they’re kind of sad.
Okay, here's a video of my slide tests comparing various Paulsons to Bud Jones
Here's a table of the results with the chip particulars: (lower numbers indicate earlier to slide, larger numbers indicate later to slide)
Results from 1-6 indicate earlier to later propensity to slide. When it was too close to call, the rankings were averaged out.
You are free to make your own conclusions after watching the video.
My conclusion: in this test, the Bud Jones S2 chips have roughly equivalent slipperiness issues to a lightly used unleaded THC chip or a moderately used leaded THC chip. They are somewhat more slippery when compared to a minty unleaded RHC or a lightly used leaded THC chip.
I am interested in reconducting this experiment when I receive the Abbiati plastics and the Sun-Fly 43mm hybrid ceramics when the group buys are fulfilled.
Here's a table of the results with the chip particulars: (lower numbers indicate earlier to slide, larger numbers indicate later to slide)
Results from 1-6 indicate earlier to later propensity to slide. When it was too close to call, the rankings were averaged out.
| Chip Composition | Compression Clay | Compression Clay | Compression Clay | Compression Clay | Plastic | Plastic |
| Chip ID | CDI98 $1000 (fantasy) THC | Jack Detroit $25 Pri RHC | Red Hot Stamp THC, probably leaded | Apricot No Inlay THC, probably leaded | Big Easy Casino $1 BJ S2, unweighted | Big Easy Casino $5 BJ S2, unweighted |
| Chip Condition | Excellent Light use Oiled (last year) | Near Mint Handled Unused | Very Good Moderate use | Excellent Light use, milled Oiled (last month) | Excellent Handled | Near Mint Handled |
| Test #1 | 6 | 4 | 2.5 | 1 | 5 | 2.5 |
| Test #2 | 1 | 6 | 4.5 | 4.5 | 3 | 2 |
| Test #3 | 3.5 | 5.5 | 2 | 5.5 | 1 | 3.5 |
| Test #4 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2,5 | 2.5 |
| Test #5 | 6 | 1 | 3.5 | 5 | 3.5 | 2 |
| Test #6 | 1 | 5.5 | 3 | 5.5 | 4 | 2 |
| Total score | 22.5 | 27 | 16.5 | 26.5 | 19 | 14.5 |
You are free to make your own conclusions after watching the video.
My conclusion: in this test, the Bud Jones S2 chips have roughly equivalent slipperiness issues to a lightly used unleaded THC chip or a moderately used leaded THC chip. They are somewhat more slippery when compared to a minty unleaded RHC or a lightly used leaded THC chip.
I am interested in reconducting this experiment when I receive the Abbiati plastics and the Sun-Fly 43mm hybrid ceramics when the group buys are fulfilled.
TheDuke
Full House
Having to defend your own personal preferences/choices about poker chips to a stranger who doesn't care about your personal poker chip preferences is kinda weird.
TheDuke
Full House
And clay chips aren't actually made of clay. But we have different terms/categories for each.
And there are different terms/categories of plastic chips.
Ben8257
Royal Flush
Not playing Devil's Advocate here, but worthy of mentioning in this debate is Clay warping issues. I am not going to say that Plastic doesn't warp, I have actually came across a couple Chipco chips that were not perfectly flat.
But it is much more common with clay chips. I have been told by senior members to just accept the fact that with Hot Stamped Paulsons you have to accept some warpage. Not an issue with plastic... almost ever. I have spent hours flattening clay chips, especially when I buy them from much warmer climates such as Texas and Nevada. Not blamingthe climate but maybe the storage of the chips.
It's pretty upsetting to pay $3 plus per chip and then have to spend hours getting them at least playable. I'm getting good at Flattening but yet to produce a truly flat chip. I honestly can believe it isn't a disclosure issue, I have asked many members about this since I consider myself a HS frac collector and would say probably 20% I buy are not flat! Based off of how many?
That is just over 3,000 on the table and the collection has grown since.
I agree not a major point in the current discussion but worth mentioning.
Fellow Chipper Ben
But it is much more common with clay chips. I have been told by senior members to just accept the fact that with Hot Stamped Paulsons you have to accept some warpage. Not an issue with plastic... almost ever. I have spent hours flattening clay chips, especially when I buy them from much warmer climates such as Texas and Nevada. Not blamingthe climate but maybe the storage of the chips.
It's pretty upsetting to pay $3 plus per chip and then have to spend hours getting them at least playable. I'm getting good at Flattening but yet to produce a truly flat chip. I honestly can believe it isn't a disclosure issue, I have asked many members about this since I consider myself a HS frac collector and would say probably 20% I buy are not flat! Based off of how many?
That is just over 3,000 on the table and the collection has grown since.
I agree not a major point in the current discussion but worth mentioning.
Fellow Chipper Ben
TheDuke
Full House
Warped chips are definitely an issue with compressed clay chips.
One reason why many didn't jump on the opportunity for a custom BCC set was the QC issues with spinners. (Along with oblong inlays, etc.). BCC did not view them as a defect.
One reason why many didn't jump on the opportunity for a custom BCC set was the QC issues with spinners. (Along with oblong inlays, etc.). BCC did not view them as a defect.
I think your test parameters and controls are highly flawed.
^ FYP. Mint inlay clay chips from the factory (CPC or GPI) are rarely (if ever) warped, and will remain that way if properly used and stored.
Also, oversized inlays and molds with very little texture can make clays very slippery.
Also, hotstamps can have a small spot or two that are high so the chip seems warped but the issue is really a high section of the hotstamp.
Ben8257
Royal Flush
I absolutely agree with that assessment sir, but we don't get many options in that category any more. I have bought chips from a vendor that literally claimed mint and they were actually shaped like bananas. I truly couldn't believe it. I posted about it and was basically told this is normal and I should just accept it because "this is par for the course with Hot Stamp chips" sorry but I disagree.
Anyways aging I just felt it was worth mentioning.
TheDuke
Full House
I've never attempted to flatten chips.
At what temperature do they become pliable? I'm wondering if temperatures during transportation may have any impact. BCC was located in Vegas so I imagine there were many times when outbound shipment of chips sat and baked in the back of a postal truck for hours on end.
At what temperature do they become pliable? I'm wondering if temperatures during transportation may have any impact. BCC was located in Vegas so I imagine there were many times when outbound shipment of chips sat and baked in the back of a postal truck for hours on end.
TheDuke
Full House
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