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I checked mine. The font is bold on all three and they feel roughly the same. I opened the WPT while the others have had some table time, and the WPT felt most like the WSOP. The EPT have the darker red.

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I have to say, I like the WPT's as much as the WSOP.
 

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How old are the decks you're talking about.... I have a fresh set of "heart & spade box art" decks.... they BOTH have "2818" on 'em.

I don't recall ever seeing a deck with "2800"
Maybe that's an old model number. But by the 2800 decks I mean the Titanium decks with the heart and Spade on the boxes
 

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Maybe that's an old model number. But by the 2800 decks I mean the Titanium decks with the heart and Spade on the boxes
& like I said.... those say "2818" on 'em & you couldn't tell the difference between those & a Bike Prestige if your life depended on it.

What they may have done unique to 'em as "special one-off editions" for the WSOP, EPT, & WPT isn't something I'm going to worry about. It's not something you can classify as applying to the general standard versions.
 

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Again... open that close-up & tell me what it says on the Ace of Spades. :D
I know, but it was simply to demonstrate why people refer to them as 2800. That is how they are marketed.

As per my review from 2014 in the Cards Review thread, the old EPT's use the darker security red and have a more smooth feel. Not all 2818's are the same
 

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If you're talking about a standard Fournier 2818.... yes they are all the same.

WSOP, EPT, & WPT are "special editions" & DON'T count as (& thus, should not be classified as/confused with) standard Fournier 2818s.

Similarly a "Tactic Pro Poker" is not a Modiano Platinum.... even though blindfolded you can't tell 'em apart.
 

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Meant to include the latest EPT cards from Fournier. They are the same as the WPT cards, and are very close in feel to the WSOP.

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Fair enough. I wasn't aware of any differences between the 2818 Fournier cards and the special edition 2818 Fournier's as pictured by @JMC9389 . Thanks for pointing out the difference in the font, as I was thinking of getting the red/blue/green/orange 2818's from eBay thinking they would be just like the WSOP, WPT, and new EPT decks. That would have been a disappointment.
 

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Fair enough. I wasn't aware of any differences between the 2818 Fournier cards and the special edition 2818 Fournier's as pictured by @JMC9389 . Thanks for pointing out the difference in the font, as I was thinking of getting the red/blue/green/orange 2818's from eBay thinking they would be just like the WSOP, WPT, and new EPT decks. That would have been a disappointment.
In what is likely a pointless exercise & complete waste of money, just for laughs I just ordered a couple sets of those. Although, I must admit to preferring the back design of 'em.
 

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The last sentence is where I disagree. These are the different Fournier decks that I have:

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There's definitely a difference in font with the WSOP decks.

@Dix I also respectfully disagree with you. In terms of your metrics, yes, the Fournier cards are the same thickness, flex, etc. However, there's a.definite difference between the finish of the 2800 decks (Titanium Edition with heart and Spade box art) and the 2818 line. The backs of the 2818 line are definitely smoother to the touch than the 2800 line that has a linen/somewhat textured touch to the card backs.

The same goes for the bridge size decks as @Jake14mw alluded to. There's definitely a difference between the 2826 Congress backs that have a smoother finish and the FDL back decks that I own that have a definitely more textured finish.
Wow, I don't have any explanation of why my 2800s with the same box have different fonts than yours. Mine are bold just like the WSOPs.
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I had to order some stuff from Amazon today, so I threw a Davinci setup into the cart. I'll let you know how I like them.
 

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The great thing about Modianos is that when you buy Modianos, you know what you are getting. The finish is the same, the faces are the same. I stay away from Modianos because of their service problems they had here though. Cartamundi is the opposite. They make so many cards under the Cartamundi name, that you have no idea what a Cartamundi card is.

Given your criteria you gave, if you are looking for jumbo index, I have the answer for you, go no futher - https://www.playingcards.net/BICYCL...NDY-PLASTIC-POKER-JUMBO-INDEX-SET_p_1672.html . Similar feel to Modianos, similar flex, great price! Just know they don't come in boxes, but for that price, buy a nice wooden box for them!
BICYCLE PRESTIGE? They are bridge or poker size? I didn't see the size on the website.
 

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COPAG (Belgium)

No, I have NOT been drinking (it's early & I'm not Canadian). & you read that right.... Copag, made in BELGIUM, not Brazil.

Cartamundi bought Copag back in 2005. Production, however, remained entirely in Sao Paulo, Brazil.... until now.

H*ll, with Cartamundi also buying up USPC, at this point odds are if it's not made in Italy or SE Asia, then it's made by Cartamundi. Either in Belgium, Brazil, Spain, Texas, or the Cincinnati suburb of Erlanger, Kentucky.

Seems @Thomacetti & his cohorts are taking over the world of playing card production. Eh.... could be worse I guess. :D

So, are these any different than their Brazilian cousins?..... Well..... yes & no.... kinda.... a little.... depends on your level of OCDness.

Let me put it this way.... if it said "Made in Italy" on 'em I'd chalk the card stock differences up to manufacturing tolerances & call it a day. I've measured enough Modiano cards to know that you can have what they consider the exact same card stock to vary as much as +/- .0008 in thickness (most are less than +/-.0005) & up to a full degree on the flex meter. Seems the Italians fly pretty fast & loose with tolerances. Cartamundi (as well as USPC/Fournier) not so much.

So, what I'm going to actually chalk up the difference to is a difference in stock sourcing. Which would make sense, given geography & the costs involved created by it.

Sure, PVC is still PVC regardless of where it comes from... which these are made of. (which also makes 'em the 1st PVC decks I've ever known of out of Cartamundi, BE) But it is a "different" stock. My nose will certainly attest to that. These things HAVE to be made of the stinkiest PVC on the planet.

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OK, now.... before those of you that think you can smell the cigar smoke of the old guy that lives half a block away from you freak out. No, in "normal use" you can't smell 'em. However, the "sniff test" is my 1st check of whether I'm dealing with Cellulose-Acetate or PVC. It's simple really, C-A has no odor, while PVC does. Thus, when you crack open a fresh deck of PVC cards that have been cello wrapped when made, you can smell it. Crack the deck open, cut it in half, place each half beside your nose & inhale. If you smell something (besides the crap on your hands) that's PVC.

Normally it's a kind of semi-sweet to maybe mildly distasteful odor. But damn, the smell of these things was kind of bizarre & disgusting compared to every other PVC deck I've sniffed. I don't know what you guys are makin' your toilet plumbing out of over there @Thomacetti, but it sure smells funny. Are you sure you guys aren't recycling ACTUAL toilet plumbing over there? I mean, I know we're all supposed to be on this "(un)woke" "save the planet" recycling thing.... but damn, that's a bit much. :D

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Of course, the good news is that the odor of PVC cards tends to dissipate pretty quickly once their taken out of the wrapper. Open 'em up & leave 'em that way & you can't hardly smell 'em even "up close & personal" after a day or so. Some even only after a few hours.

I should note this isn't a perfectly 100% reliable test. There's been a deck or two (might have been DalNegro or Faded Spade) that I recall as not quite being sure I smelled anything, but ended up verifying they were indeed PVC anyway. But, odds are, the fresh out the the wrapper "sniff test" works far more often that not.

OK, so beyond the smell.... These do spec out just a tick thicker & stiffer (consistently) than their South American brethren. Which, as I said, I'm going to chalk up material sourcing. Is it enough that you could tell the difference blindfolded?.... Maybe.... If I tried to do it I might have about a 60/40 chance at being right with any consistency. Certainly without looking, if you handed me one deck only I couldn't tell you which it was.

Finish is the same matte/matte as Copag's other usual non-TXHE suspects.

Beyond back design, there's a difference in the red ink used for the printing. The Brazilian decks have a nice bright red while the Belgian version's leans somewhat toward the yellower end of the scale. The pip style & font are a dead match though.

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Belgium on left / Brazil on right​

At the moment the best links to 'em I can give you is PokerStore.nl in Holland, My usual go-to for Euro decks. Shipping tends to be pricey, but they are drop-dead reliable, & most orders I've gotten in about 2 weeks. Which is something that can't be said for a lot of trans-Atlantic shipments.

Blue Jumbo: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-100-percent-jumbo-face-blue.html
Red Jumbo: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-100-percentage-plastic-jumbo-face-red.html
Blue Std: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-regular-index-playing-cards-blue.html
Red Std: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-regular-index-playing-cards-red.html
Blue 4-Pip: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-plastic-4-corner-index-blue.html
Red 4 Pip: https://www.pokerstore.nl/poker-cards/copag/copag-plastic-4-corner-index-red.html
(I believe the 4 color decks are only made in Brazil)

If you live on this side of the Atlantic & only want a single deck to check out, I did manage to find an Amazon seller with the red jumbos: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024QMVFA/

Specs in the database: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/the-redneck-poker-card-database-2-0.76/
 
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Another great review buddy :)
Yes, Belgium is taking over card world...memo will soon follow

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A trade pact is in the works to exchange good cards for the good chips Stateside ;)
We'll crush Italy during coffee break... :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

Only thing I want to mention is that Belgium is big in chemistry and the Belgian PVC is considered the best in the world (Solvay / TCT) and there is a BIG PVC industry (raw/base materials, half products & finished products (doors, windows,...)

We may be smelly...but our shit is the best out there ;)

Btw, you should crack open a deck of Fournier EPT's...these have the same smell too
 

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Copag WSOP & EPT

As a general rule, I'm not real big on getting "Special Edition" type decks. & here's a good example of why.

What someone does as a "one off" I'm not going to make myself crazy trying to keep up with. Copag (round 1), USPCC (as Kem/Bicycle/Fournier), Modiano, & Copag (round 2) have all been the "official" cards of the WSOP at some point or another & all have had "special edition" runs of "WSOP" cards. Throw the WPT & EPT in that mix & there's probably been dozens (plural) of "special edition" type decks made in that category.

Sometimes they're different, sometimes not.... which is why I'm not going to make myself crazy, as a general rule, in trying to keep track of (as I'm about to demonstrate)... if you want to do it, knock yourself out.

As I stated in a earlier post, a Fournier "2818" is a Fournier 2818 & there's no difference between 'em (minor production run changes aside). Just because a special WSOP or WPT edition may have been done with a different finish is not something I'm going get crazy about.

Which brings us to our next contestants.... Copag's WSOP(2016) & EPT(current) editions.

Are these the same as Copag's other decks?.... Yes & no.... & by that, I mean BOTH.... Yes AND no.

In the "yes" category are the EPT decks. Exact same stuff as the other Belgium-made Copags I just reviewed above. Right down to the yellow-ish red ink used on the faces.
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Semi-interesting is that the "EPT" & "Copag" branding on the backs is pretty subtle... done in small lettering blended in around the edges of the back design.

In the "no".... or to be more accurate, the "not exactly" department, are the 2016 WSOP-Main Event decks.

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You don't often find these anymore in poker size & with the deluxe box. Most of what's left out there is bridge size & in Copag's standard plastic case. So, I grabbed 'em just for giggles & to defray shipping costs. Unlike the EPT cards above, these are made in Sao Paulo & match all of Copag's usual Brazilian non-TXHE cards except in finish.

The finish IS more akin to their TXHE decks, Just done on the thinner standard stock. Also, the back design was obviously "made for TV" with the bold WSOP logo vs the traditional "poker chip" logo on the non-ME decks.

I'm not bothering putting the specs up in the database on these as the only thing unique about either is the finish on the WSOP decks.

Both of these are available at Pokerstore.nl if you're so inclined.
 

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Copag WSOP & EPT

As a general rule, I'm not real big on getting "Special Edition" type decks. & here's a good example of why.

What someone does as a "one off" I'm not going to make myself crazy trying to keep up with. Copag (round 1), USPCC (as Kem/Bicycle/Fournier), Modiano, & Copag (round 2) have all been the "official" cards of the WSOP at some point or another & all have had "special edition" runs of "WSOP" cards. Throw the WPT & EPT in that mix & there's probably been dozens (plural) of "special edition" type decks made in that category.

Sometimes they're different, sometimes not.... which is why I'm not going to make myself crazy, as a general rule, in trying to keep track of (as I'm about to demonstrate)... if you want to do it, knock yourself out.

As I stated in a earlier post, a Fournier "2818" is a Fournier 2818 & there's no difference between 'em (minor production run changes aside). Just because a special WSOP or WPT edition may have been done with a different finish is not something I'm going get crazy about.

Which brings us to our next contestants.... Copag's WSOP(2016) & EPT(current) editions.

Are these the same as Copag's other decks?.... Yes & no.... & by that, I mean BOTH.... Yes AND no.

In the "yes" category are the EPT decks. Exact same stuff as the other Belgium-made Copags I just reviewed above. Right down to the yellow-ish red ink used on the faces.
Semi-interesting is that the "EPT" & "Copag" branding on the backs is pretty subtle... done in small lettering blended in around the edges of the back design.

In the "no".... or to be more accurate, the "not exactly" department, are the 2016 WSOP-Main Event decks.

You don't often find these anymore in poker size & with the deluxe box. Most of what's left out there is bridge size & in Copag's standard plastic case. So, I grabbed 'em just for giggles & to defray shipping costs. Unlike the EPT cards above, these are made in Sao Paulo & match all of Copag's usual Brazilian non-TXHE cards except in finish.

The finish IS more akin to their TXHE decks, Just done on the thinner standard stock. Also, the back design was obviously "made for TV" with the bold WSOP logo vs the traditional "poker chip" logo on the non-ME decks.

I'm not bothering putting the specs up in the database on these as the only thing unique about either is the finish on the WSOP decks.

Both of these are available at Pokerstore.nl if you're so inclined.
Even though I've never cared for copags, that box makes me want some. I guess I'm a sucker.
 

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The Elements line is no longer produced, & hasn't been for over a decade I believe. But, the same stock is currently used for Guild.

If it's color variety you want, the "Texas Poker" line comes in 10 colors, & is the same stock the original Desjgn decks were done with.

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Red, Light/Dark Blue, Light/Dark Green, Black, Gray, Purple, Orange & Brown.

Can be found on eBay & Amazon. This Amazon seller has all colors except Black & Brown.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004O39QZE



BTW, the database I’m guessing lumps these Modiano Texas Poker decks into the “all modiano” rating, as well as original Desjgn, calling them cellulose acetate. But the Modiano website says these cards are made from PVC. They certainly smell like it. Should that be updated in the database or am I confusing something?
 

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BTW, the database I’m guessing lumps these Modiano Texas Poker decks into the “all modiano” rating, as well as original Desjgn, calling them cellulose acetate. But the Modiano website says these cards are made from PVC. They certainly smell like it. Should that be updated in the database or am I confusing something?
That is interesting information. I've been planning on purchasing a set of these and was also going off of the assumption they fell into the "all modiano except platinum and elements" category. @Dix Is that correct, or do they belong on a different row? Are Texas Poker Cel or PVC?
 
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