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There was an attempt to visit him however that was in early hours of the morning and no one was home.
I have exhausted any possible way to contact @Dix. Called any possible phone number. Maybe some US residents have different option.
 

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& speaking of Birthday Presents........

@surfik is a sneaky SOB. When I called him my "Clandestine East Poland Operative" I thought I was trying to be humorous. Shows how much I know. :D

At any rate, back when we finally managed to get a couple sets of Trefl over here for database testing & review there was a bonus in the package. Now, I didn't think too much of 'em, 'cause you see casino branded decks on eBay all the time, & they're usually cheap paper knockoffs from the casino's gift shop or used/cancelled decks that have been pulled from the casino floor.

So, I was a little surprised when what I got was a brand new, unused, Tobago Casino Club branded plastic deck.

& yes, the Tobago Casino Club is an actual casino located in Riga, Latvia. So, I guess you could call this a database update & review of the cards that Cartamundi produces for casino use.

CARTAMUNDI "Casino Branded"

So, 1st things 1st, these are obviously some kind of "bulk" sale/sell-off. There was no box, just a deck of the cards in the factory cello wrapper. No big deal, I have plenty of old/unused tuck-boxes & deck cases around this joint to spare. I have a suspicion as to why these may have been sold off unused, but I'll get to that in a minute.

A couple things hit me right off the bat upon unwrapping the deck....

First, they felt VERY flexible. Way more flexible than pretty much anything else in the inventory. The flex meter test confirmed that all right. & NO, this is NOT a typo.... a flex score of 25. A full 5 degrees more than the current Cellulose flex champ Modiano Texas Poker.

Somewhat surprising, given that, was the thickness at .0115". I expected them to be thinner, more like the Cartamundi Classic at .0105" or even a half a thou less.

Which brings me to surprise #2.... They are NOT PVC. Which, if they were, there's no way in Hades they'd be that flexible without being thinner. Straight out of the cello & they passed the PVC sniff test, as well as all other examination to confirm they are indeed cellulose-acetate.

Finish is what I'm going to call matte/matte. It's not quite the luxurious "linen" finish of other decks, but not that far off really. They feel very nice & are a real no-brainer pleasure to deal. & the softness makes doing the corner riffle a breeze.

OK.... so... what's going on here? How can cards obviously this good, & acetate cards no less, be so cheap?

If I had to render a guess, I'd say these were pulled by QC & sold off as "factory seconds". Now, before you freak out... let me explain.

I'd have no problem putting this deck in play at any game. There's nothing about any card that makes it "unique" from any other. And, nothing that your average player is ever going to notice in a typical poker game.

That said however, there is a "flaw" in them that obviously didn't make it past someone somewhere in the line from initial production to casino table.

It's hard to describe, & impossible to photograph, but, about 1/4" of one edge of each card is ever so slightly thicker (by about .0005" - 1/2 a thousandth of an inch) than the rest of the card. & it's not even really possible to feel it without pinching a card between the fingers of one hand & sliding it back & forth between them. Then you can JUST barely feel a difference in that one end of each card. Also, if you hold a card at just the right angle to a light source, then, you can see it.

It's so slight, I didn't even pick up on it when I was initially measuring thickness. It wasn't until I figured it out that I was able to go back & actually measure it by paying close attention to exactly where I was measuring.

You can also see the effect of it after you've shuffled the deck a few times & the thicker edge is now randomly on the opposite side of the deck of some. If you hold the deck in your hand & look at the edge, it looks like the edges of some are randomly not actually in contact with the card(s) just above and/or below it depending on which direction the one next to it is facing.

If these decks never made it to the casino & were pulled by Cartamundi before they left the factory, that says a lot for their quality control. Because you really have to be paying a lot of attention to even notice it. Modiano could take a lesson here if that's the case.

The only mystery in my mind is HOW this happened.

At 1st I was thinking that it was an issue in the coating process. But, the fact that cards are printed on large sheets & cut into individual cards later makes that impossible, as the issue is exactly the same on the same edge of every individual card. Best guess I can come up with is something during the cutting process went sideways. Or during sorting/packaging maybe.

Now, again, let me add here. None of this effects the general feel & handling them. They shuffle, feel, & deal like any other good deck of acetate cards (albeit somewhat softer), and I'd have no issues with using 'em all night long. In fact, as a dealer, I suspect I'd rather enjoy the experience given the softness & deal-ability.

There are a couple "curiosities" though....

First off, these are obviously meant for casino use. While the backs of all the "working" cards of the deck have the casino's brand on the backs, The backs of not just the promo/info cards, but even BOTH of the jokers, have the backs split in two & sporting both the casino & Cartamundi's logos. So playing any game that requires use of the jokers is impossible.


They're jumbo index. & the word "jumbo" is an understatement. I could read the up cards of the player at the other end of the table during a game of stud without my glasses easily.


The only "niggle" I have is the font used. In some numerals it almost resembles that annoying "LED Display" type font that we all grew to hate a decade ago. :D


I'm all for using bold fonts to give a unique & easier to read face. But, this one's a little weird looking. Maybe a sans-serif version would have been a better choice.

All in all, if I was looking for a bulk buy for our MTTs, & I could score a deal of these for a cheap price I'd be all over 'em. They're as good as any good acetate card out there, & beat the pants of many more expensive decks made of PVC.

As always, specs are now in the database: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/the-redneck-poker-card-database-2-0.76/
I just got my hands on a couple of the Cartamundi Tobago casino decks and I wish I bought more. I would have, sight unseen, just based on this review, if they’d come in two colors for a proper setup and/or if they’d been bridge size. Anyway, the reviews are dead on - flexiest stock ever, which makes them damn near perfect in my book.
The finish is a tad rougher than KEM and there’s a bit more top card float than is ideal, but that’s it for the cons. Some people may complain about the jumbo size index, but I’ll never understand those people. Anyway, these are damn near perfect, and if anybody knows of any other cards printed on this stock, please let me know.
 

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I just got my hands on a couple of the Cartamundi Tobago casino decks and I wish I bought more. I would have, sight unseen, just based on this review, if they’d come in two colors for a proper setup and/or if they’d been bridge size. Anyway, the reviews are dead on - flexiest stock ever, which makes them damn near perfect in my book.
The finish is a tad rougher than KEM and there’s a bit more top card float than is ideal, but that’s it for the cons. Some people may complain about the jumbo size index, but I’ll never understand those people. Anyway, these are damn near perfect, and if anybody knows of any other cards printed on this stock, please let me know.
There is a online shop in Netherlands offering Cartamundi blue/red with same back minus Tobago logo. Not sure if it's same stock, but it looks that way. Link is listed somewhere in this thread....
Sadly I am out of Cartamundi... Kept few decks for myself...
Glad you like them....
 

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I just got my hands on a couple of the Cartamundi Tobago casino decks and I wish I bought more. I would have, sight unseen, just based on this review, if they’d come in two colors for a proper setup and/or if they’d been bridge size. Anyway, the reviews are dead on - flexiest stock ever, which makes them damn near perfect in my book.
The finish is a tad rougher than KEM and there’s a bit more top card float than is ideal, but that’s it for the cons. Some people may complain about the jumbo size index, but I’ll never understand those people. Anyway, these are damn near perfect, and if anybody knows of any other cards printed on this stock, please let me know.
These are the only available cards that have the identical stock as the Tobago cards.

These & these are almost identical


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These are the only available cards that have the identical stock as the Tobago cards.

These & these are almost identical


Link to review
Thanks. Just received some Neder Poker decks. They are the perfect companion to the Tobago’s.
I have to add here, that I spent some time shuffling the Neders (and Tobago’s) and some casino KEMs. The KEMs are still the winner for me. The flexiness seems the same between the two brands, but the KEMs have a slightly softer feeling. But I’m picking nits here - they’re both fantastic.

Anyway, does anybody know the story behind the Neder Poker cards? Does “Neder Poker” mean something? What is “Lords of Poker?” Is that a website or a card brand or what? Whatever the story is, it’s nice of them to include a tuck box.
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Thanks. Just received some Neder Poker decks. They are the perfect companion to the Tobago’s.
I have to add here, that I spent some time shuffling the Neders (and Tobago’s) and some casino KEMs. The KEMs are still the winner for me. The flexiness seems the same between the two brands, but the KEMs have a slightly softer feeling. But I’m picking nits here - they’re both fantastic.

Anyway, does anybody know the story behind the Neder Poker cards? Does “Neder Poker” mean something? What is “Lords of Poker?” Is that a website or a card brand or what? Whatever the story is, it’s nice of them to include a tuck box.
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How much you paid for those?
 

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Thanks. Just received some Neder Poker decks. They are the perfect companion to the Tobago’s.
I have to add here, that I spent some time shuffling the Neders (and Tobago’s) and some casino KEMs. The KEMs are still the winner for me. The flexiness seems the same between the two brands, but the KEMs have a slightly softer feeling. But I’m picking nits here - they’re both fantastic.

Anyway, does anybody know the story behind the Neder Poker cards? Does “Neder Poker” mean something? What is “Lords of Poker?” Is that a website or a card brand or what? Whatever the story is, it’s nice of them to include a tuck box.
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If those Kem's are used...then the Carta's need some play too to get soft, just like the Kem's.
 
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