Daniel Negreanu vs Doug Polk (2 Viewers)

[RainmanTrail]

Sounds like the heads up match between Negreanu and Polk is going to go down. Who do you guys think will win?

I'm taking Polk. If anyone wants to take up a friendly wager against me, send me a PM.

 

[superchromix]

I’ll pick the kid just to support a fellow Canuck

 

[Eloe2000]

I guess it won’t be on Twitch

 

[Eloe2000]

Sounds like the heads up match between Negreanu and Polk is going to go down. Who do you guys think will win?

I'm taking Polk. If anyone wants to take up a friendly wager against me, send me a PM.

There was a lot of debate about the parameters and how those would impact reach person as they each have their strong suit. Any idea what the end parameters will be?

 

[Rieguy]

Unless we have to pay to stream it, we all win.

 

[justsomedude]

I can't help but think there is an angle here...

Polk stopped making his poker videos a while ago, and must be feeling the financial effects of that decision. His new "news channel" on YouTube then failed to garner much interest, and he stopped posting new clips a few short weeks after it opened. And his most recent video on that channel is not about news but, you guessed it, his "grudge match" with Negreanu.

This smells like some kind of Rocky IV staged exhibition match for them to bank some revenue on, and not so much a true display of top tier poker. I guess we'll know more about possible profits once the specifics of the site/stream are released.

 

[upNdown]

I can't help but think there is an angle here...

Polk stopped making his poker videos a while ago, and must be feeling the effects of that decision. His new "news channel" on YouTube then failed to garner much interest, and he stopped posting new clips a few short weeks after it opened.

This smells like some kind of Rocky IV staged exhibition match for them to bank some revenue on, and not so much a true display of top tier poker. I guess we'll know more when the specifics about possible profits once the site/stream are released.

Aside from Daniel losing his shit (which seems to be a distinct possibility,) I don't get it. At one point, Polk offered that Daniel pick a game - so they'd play half NLHE, and half his game. But Daniel just agreed to play all NLHE, heads up, online, two tables at a time. I believe they're playing $200/$400 for some number of hands that will exceed 10K.
Polk was sort of considered one of the best online heads up NLHE players in the world, for a little while. And that little while wasn't very long ago. Daniel, on the other hand, hasn't ben recognized as a good heads up player for a couple of decades, if ever, and he's never come close to being a GTO online wizard. And on top of it all, Daniel's being very flip, saying that Hellmuth will be his coach. I think Daniel is a clear underdog here and I'd need odds to put any money on him. But I really have no idea what he's doing in this competition.

 

[7deuce]

Anyone know the rough timeline of when this is suppose to happen? (This year? Next year?)

 

[FordPickup92]

I watched Polk do head's up play with a few people from a recommendation on my phone lol he starts out pretty good but hes loose and lucky, call factory. Maybe he will play tighter against Negreanu

 

[upNdown]

Anyone know the rough timeline of when this is suppose to happen? (This year? Next year?)

September or october, tenatively, i think

 

[Lemonzest]

I can't help but think there is an angle here...

Polk stopped making his poker videos a while ago, and must be feeling the financial effects of that decision. His new "news channel" on YouTube then failed to garner much interest, and he stopped posting new clips a few short weeks after it opened. And his most recent video on that channel is not about news but, you guessed it, his "grudge match" with Negreanu.

This smells like some kind of Rocky IV staged exhibition match for them to bank some revenue on, and not so much a true display of top tier poker. I guess we'll know more about possible profits once the specifics of the site/stream are released.

Obviously it is PR to build their brand and make money but that doesn't mean the poker itself is in any way compromised. I think both guys are proud enough to want to see who wins.

PS. I would take Polk to win.

 

[justsomedude]

I think Daniel is a clear underdog here and I'd need odds to put any money on him. But I really have no idea what he's doing in this competition.

That's kind of what I was getting at with my "angle" comment... my guess is they're both being compensated in some way.

Whether it's cuts of PPV, ad revenues, signups, etc., we'll probably never know. But I kind of doubt either of them are doing this for name recognition or just "the challenge" of it.

Hell, even Mike Tyson is fighting again.

At the end of the day, bills have to be paid.

 

[redwine]

i mean it is poker but yeah doug should destroy negreanu. live pros don't stand a chance against online pros

 

[colter ripton]

id take Polk. heads up nl is his game and he's probably still one of the best in the world.

I like Negreanu better as a personality, but I'd take Polk for sure if betting on the match.

 

[upNdown]

That's kind of what I was getting at with my "angle" comment... my guess is they're both being compensated in some way.

Whether it's cuts of PPV, ad revenues, signups, etc., we'll probably never know. But I kind of doubt either of them are doing this for name recognition or just "the challenge" of it.

Hell, even Mike Tyson is fighting again.

At the end of the day, bills have to be paid.

It makes sense. Except that these two have hated each other for several years. And I believe they're both pretty well off. I just can't imagine them coming together for what would probably be not a lot of cash - what's to be made here?

 

[shorticus]

Rolling with Polk since Daniel basically said he has no chance lol

 

[justsomedude]

It makes sense. Except that these two have hated each other for several years. And I believe they're both pretty well off. I just can't imagine them coming together for what would probably be not a lot of cash - what's to be made here?

Do they REALLY hate each other?

Kinda makes for the perfect build-up to a massive PPV event, doesn't it?

Televised sports ratings are in the sh*tter.
The grudge angle is established.
People are itching for sh*t to watch.

It really couldn't be more perfectly timed.

what's to be made here?

^^^^ See above

 

[upNdown]

Do they REALLY hate each other?

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Kinda makes for the perfect build-up to a massive PPV event, doesn't it?

Televised sports ratings are in the sh*tter.
The grudge angle is established.
People are itching for sh*t to watch.

It really couldn't be more perfectly timed.



^^^^ See above

I have no problem with any of your logic. It's the premise.
If you think there's any money to be made on a poker ppv event - I disagree.

 

[justsomedude]

I have no problem with any of your logic. It's the premise.
If you think there's any money to be made on a poker ppv event - I disagree.

Well, I don't know... PokerGo refuses to release subscriber info, so it's hard to gauge the demand. But I think it is highly profitable, or they wouldn't be doing it.

I just don't think Tom Dwan flew from Macau to Vegas to appear in the PokerGo launch-event at the Aria for free airfare and lodging, and maybe a free grand in comps. This is a complete guess, but I think it took something serious to get him to make that trip and appear in a high-stakes live stream.

Again, we're both guessing here. My guess is there's decent money involved (at least to cover the buyins), especially if it gets backed by an online poker site or real-world casino.

Call me crazy.

 

[upNdown]

Well, I don't know... PokerGo refuses to release subscriber info, so it's hard to gauge the demand. But I think it is highly profitable, or they wouldn't be doing it.

I just don't think Tom Dwan flew from Macau to Vegas to appear in the PokerGo launch-event at the Aria for free airfare and lodging, and maybe a free grand in comps. This is a complete guess, but I think it took something serious to get him to make that trip and appear in a high-stakes live stream.

Again, we're both guessing here. My guess is there's decent money involved (at least to cover the buyins), especially if it gets backed by an online poker site or real-world casino.

Call me crazy.

Crazy

 

[justsomedude]

Crazy

I think you vastly underestimate the market.

This isn't a couple of kids with webcams and RFID software - this is big business...

 

[Psypher1000]

Wait - is this poker of boxing/mma/wrestling?

 

[Thisfiendis138]

They’re both douchers in their own ways.
Polk’s game is HU Hold’em. DN is def an underdog.
I also believe there’s more to this than a pee pee growing contest between these two cry ass “influencers”... that most likely being money we don’t and will never know about

 

[upNdown]

I think you vastly underestimate the market.

This isn't a couple of kids with webcams and RFID software - this is big business...

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No doubt. And if this event were live, I'd pay $10 to watch it. Maybe a couple hundred thousand other people would too. But two dinks playing heads up online for ten thousand hands?
Ain't nobody got time for that

 

[Thisfiendis138]

No doubt. And if this event were live, I'd pay $10 to watch it. Maybe a couple hundred thousand other people would too. But two dinks playing heads up online for ten thousand hands?
Ain't nobody got time for that

I’d also pledge $10. $15 if it were settled at the kumite

 

[upNdown]

I’d also pledge $10. $15 if it were settled at the kumite

That would be amazing. Polk would be like chong li, trying to break people in half. And Daniel would be like that skinny black guy (who, in retrospect, was kind of a very questionable racial charicature) flipping all over the place like a spider monkey.

 

[justsomedude]

No doubt. And if this event were live, I'd pay $10 to watch it. Maybe a couple hundred thousand other people would too. But two dinks playing heads up online for ten thousand hands?
Ain't nobody got time for that

Totally agree. And I think most of these streamed events are banking on long term-profits, not immediate gains. Point being, I don't think PokerGo spent $25 million on a studio planning to make $50 million in the first week, or even months.

Poker has seen a massive resurgence of late, but live events and worthwhile streams have been hampered by Covid. The marketing here is in the long game, getting short-term eyes for long term value. I'm sure some one at Aria has crunched the numbers on their PokerGo partnership, and it's brought them XXX-million in increased rake/gaming/lodging/etc over X-number of months/years.

I'm sure some one else is already quantifying the same potential long-term value of a Polk-Negreanu PPV event. Sure, there may be some (very limited) value in the immediate subscriber payoff (which is where I completely agree with you), but if a casino gets on board, you know there are long term profits they've already banked on.

Sign me up as a $10-$20 subscriber on this thing.

 

[Kain8]

Aside from the on table money won or lost, Doug has absolutely nothing to lose since he's stepped away from the poker scene. Doug will be free to exert his will on the match because of this I feel.

Daniel is going to have to run red hot in order to even a chance in this. Bruce Lee's quote of, "I do not fear the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once but the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." rings pretty true here. This is Doug's stomping ground where he has made millions of dollars battling, at the time when he did, the pinnacle of poker's elite in what is arguably the highest skill ceiling in poker. For Daniel to forgo Doug's offer of a second game being offered is possibly because:

1. An incredible ego with the delusion that he is actually favoured against Doug in a pure NLHU format.

2. Like @justsomedude has suggested, dealings of this have already been monetized offering no real financial fear to either side so it makes for better streaming and TV.

I'd lean more towards the first point because if it's the second point, call me bright-eyed and bushy-tailed but that's just massively deceptive and disingenuous to the poker public who believe that this is a grudge match with potentially seven figure swings in the mix.

 

[trigs]

Negreanu has no chance in HU NLHE vs Polk online. Absolutely no chance whatsoever unless he just happens to run like god.

 

[BGinGA]

That would be amazing. Polk would be like chong li, trying to break people in half. And Daniel would be like that skinny black guy (who, in retrospect, was kind of a very questionable racial charicature) flipping all over the place like a spider monkey.

Close, but no cigar: