Got any references to this?
I have read various theories as to why GPI stopped catering for the home market. It would be great to see a definite answer.
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I have read various theories as to why GPI stopped catering for the home market. It would be great to see a definite answer.
You're looking for on-the-record proof? I don't think you'll ever find it. It is a non-written understanding/business agreement between the manufacturer and the industry. The casinos will keep buying as long as GPI stays out of the home market with the type of chips offered to casinos, because of their security concerns. GPI has every right to sell whatever they want (of their property) to whoever they want, but they would be complete fools to antagonize 99% of their revenue stream to chase after the 1%. Yes, this is "theoretical". It is also the explanation that makes the most sense.
FYP
I contacted GPI to buy chips as Iceland does not require gaming licenses. After a long discussions that was the answer that it was not that they did not want to sell me, they had to honor a agreement. I understand the AGA, it sucks but I understand them.
I am not sure how it helps with security, since there are already so many chips out there anyway, and further more the colors between casinos are non consistent, so if one can foll a dealer with home chips, then they can probably fool them with lower denom chips from another casino too.
Also I don't know why they didn't reserve some colors/edge patterns for the home market. Sucks big time.
Mr. Cheese
Full House
That theory makes sense but then why does GOCC, Sunfly, Matsui, etc all sell to the home market and the AGA just decided that Paulson was the only one that couldn't?
Maybe it's American vs non-American? (with the exception of GOCC)
Well that is one hell of a question I can't give you the answer to. I just know this is a response I got and I think it is the only thing that makes sense so I choose to believe it.
But maybe it is the reason that we all trying to get Paulson chips....
Perhaps that's why the vast majority of chips in AGA casinos are GPI. Although one would think that it's up to the casino who they buy chips from, not the AGA?
Maybe it's also a marketing tactic that GPI use - we only sell to Casinos so we're secure - unlike Sunflly, Matsui etc etc.
justsomedude
Straight Flush
This makes the most sense to me... the exclusivity of Paulson is definitely part of its draw. Also, add in the fact that it is truly the only mass-produced clay chip still in production, and they definitely have some marketing angles they can maximize.
From an internal standpoint I understand what Paulson is doing... why dilute the brand with sales to home game hosts and social clubs, when you are able to force people to go to an actual casino to experience their product? You can also use that exclusivity as a selling point to your casino customers.
Clever.
While I agree with the rest of your argument, this doesn't make sense. Just because I cannot buy Paulsons doesn't mean I will go to a casino to play with them.
What about high-end customers who like clean, gunk-free Paulsons?
MoscowRadio
Flush
It’d be nice if GPI used the Gemaco name to produce even no-mold chips with 1 1/16” inlays like the Wynn Charity chips with at least a handful of different spot patterns. Even with the Gemaco color line-up as of right now I think there could be some nice chips made.
+1 Give me Paulson grade chips even if they are no-mold solids.
I agree with this completely. No idea why the AGA has a stick up its butt.
Need to call our representative and inform them of the clay chip monopoly GPI has. It's bad for the free market aka 'Merica!
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justsomedude
Straight Flush
I completely agree, but Paulson isn’t selling to you.
So, I don’t think the incentive is to necessarily get YOU into the casino... rather, I think the casino likes knowing THEY are the only ones who have them. Exclusivity is a powerful marketing tool in the sales world - whether it makes practical sense or not.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
The only hole in the "exclusivity" argument is that you assume non-chippers notice the difference between a Paulson and a dice chip.
Hell, nearly every promotional photo for casinos use dice chips in their photos. Casino aren't selling a better experience, they are selling you a dream to "win it big" - nothing more.
Hell, nearly every promotional photo for casinos use dice chips in their photos. Casino aren't selling a better experience, they are selling you a dream to "win it big" - nothing more.
RowdyRawhide
Full House
Yeah the pros even call the spots "edge paint" .....they dont care about the chips they use
ekricket
Royal Flush
Almost every new casino I’ve gone to in Oklahoma and New Mexico has done away with Paulson and uses abbiatti or some other injected plastic or ceramic.
Camel Rock near me closed and reopened in a new building as Tesuque Casino. The old casino had Paulsons. These are the new chips that I only have three words for - edge spot alignment
justsomedude
Straight Flush
Man... this boggles my mind. OK, I can understand ceramic... it's cheaper. But I'd really love to know why casinos are switching to plastic chips that can cost 100%-200% more. Is the longevity of plastic really that much of a draw?
I guess it is. :/
#wompwomp
ekricket
Royal Flush
Keep in mind these are all Native American Casinos. Maybe they get a tax break on plastic or something. Maybe they figured out their chips don't walk off if they are not paulsons.
DeeVee8
Straight
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
Quality plastic chips will outlast clay chips by decades. It's a no brainer to go with plastics if you're a casino who's #1 priority is your bottom line.
True, but I think it's likely that the *practical* life of a casino chip is much shorter than its *physical* life. With changing technologies, who knows what the near future of chips will be like, for both security and esthetic reasons? Also, all well and good if you never plan to change your chip designs for 30 years, but even old designs get tired (and retired) eventually.
From what I seen in all the literature, injection molded chips have the edge in security over ceramics. Not all plastics cost more than clay. Depends if you got cheap labor, the order size, and the chip line. S2s are less than a $1. V7 molds have to be assembled based on the customer's choices (mixing inner and outer rings) so that probably adds cost vs just grabbing an S2 mold off the shelf.
Kristian74
Sitting Out
Wow oversized ugly inlays with tiny completely off center denominations... I'm so sorryWe have these "beauties" at one of the casino's up the hill: (ICON plastic, about as close to dice chips as you can get.......)
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Psypher1000
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<INSERT “BOOOOOO!!!” .GIF HERE>We have these "beauties" at one of the casino's up the hill: (ICON plastic, about as close to dice chips as you can get.......)
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