Don't blame Canadians for PayPal fees (1 Viewer)

[ChipEnvy]

It's too early to be drunk. Either these two were when this went down, or I should be now.

 

[buzzmonkey]

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Yes. But Now I feel the need to clarify. Donuts are like pizza, beer, and coffee - people can get snooty and critique them, but in my mind, there is no “bad” when it comes to these things. “Noticeably less good” would be my preferred phrase, I think.

I think they’re all easy to get in the 5-8 out of 10 range but I’ve definitely had terrible donuts, pizza, beer, coffee. Takes some effort but people manage to do it.

For example Dunkin’ Donuts changed their recipe 10ish years ago and since then the glaze on say a chocolate glaze, leaves the inside of your mouth coated in some weird waxy goo. Donut tastes ok but that wax crap drops it to a “bad” donut IMO.

 

[timinater]

My understanding is that if you want to avoid fees on the US end, you (Canadian seller) needs to send it as an invoice (maybe a money request works too, but IDK). I've sent hundreds of invoices to US chippers and always paid a fee on my end, and I don't believe any have paid an additional fee on their end. At least it hasn't been brought up to me, so I'm inferring that's the case but I could be wrong here.

This fee structure isn't intuitive or transparent. I think the benefit of the doubt would go a long way here.

 

[ekricket]

You guys can make this about whatever you want. For me, in these times, it’s about perfect transparency in transactions. I don’t feel like that occurred here.
And you wonder why people have to sell shit to pay for other peoples crimes. I’m trying to do due diligence on purchases, confirming totals, avoiding surprises, and I’m a villain for that.
It’s no wonder you get ripped off and have to have the forum bail you out.
It’s your money, take care of it, don’t leave it to strangers to have your best interests at heart. Anything that seems suspicious you should check. If that makes me a villain and an ass then I’ll wear it proudly.

 

[QuailValley]

Yes. But Now I feel the need to clarify. Donuts are like pizza, beer, and coffee - people can get snooty and critique them, but in my mind, there is no “bad” when it comes to these things. “Noticeably less good” would be my preferred phrase, I think.

I get what your saying, but IDK I've had some pretty shit beer in my time.

 

[Beakertwang]

In the last verse of this thoughtful piece, Mr. Yankovic calls for a preemptive strike against Canada. We need more leaders like him who are willing to take a strong and rational approach to our neighbors to the north.

 

[gopherblue]

Yes. But Now I feel the need to clarify. Donuts are like pizza, beer, and coffee - people can get snooty and critique them, but in my mind, there is no “bad” when it comes to these things. “Noticeably less good” would be my preferred phrase, I think.

A bad doughnut is like bad sex...it’s better than the alternative.....

 

[QuailValley]

A bad doughnut is like bad sex...it’s better than the alternative.....

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

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Haha that was my thought too. Alright I’m starting a new Donut Diet trend that will sweep through ‘Merics like hot cakes.

 

[JWC]

For a minute I thought that I had logged into thechipboard, as fights like this is generally their wheelhouse.

I remember such classics as:
- We can’t help you, since you didn’t use your real name as your user ID; and
- Someone tried to buy three chips from me when I had a one per person limit.

In the next few months they will be having the:
- Guy was a scammer, her tried to pay me at the show with Venmo.

Hopefully we can give them back ownership of the stupidest thread awards once we are done assaulting the Canadians. @TheDuke - Be glad you weren’t French, as you would see the real wrath of the Americans.

 

[joeyshin]

A bad doughnut is like bad sex...it’s better than the alternative.....

isn’t the alternative good donut and good sex?

 

[Anthony Martino]

Not meaning throwing anything on the fire here, but just last night I found out that when sending F&F from US to Canada, there's a fee charged. I was really surprised by this, but I guess that's the cost of doing international business. Yes, I could have avoided that fee and done G&S, but then the other party would have to pay it (which wasn't fair to them either). In this case, my F&F fee was less than the G&S fee, so I swallowed the $5 and moved on.

Point is this: I've been on PCF for over 2 years making lots of purchases and trades and I literally just ran into this last night. I had no clue. I could see how, if the situation was reversed, the other party might be like "WTF" since they weren't expecting any extra fees. But it's just the way it is; we don't always realize what's happening behind the scenes when there are banks and financial entities that cross borders.

I'll echo this, I had sold action in a 12 game tourney series and didn't realize there was a $4.99 fee when sending PP F&F to canadians until it happened

 

[JWC]

You guys can make this about whatever you want. For me, in these times, it’s about perfect transparency in transactions. I don’t feel like that occurred here.
And you wonder why people have to sell shit to pay for other peoples crimes. I’m trying to do due diligence on purchases, confirming totals, avoiding surprises, and I’m a villain for that.
It’s no wonder you get ripped off and have to have the forum bail you out.
It’s your money, take care of it, don’t leave it to strangers to have your best interests at heart. Anything that seems suspicious you should check. If that makes me a villain and an ass then I’ll wear it proudly.

If you were trying to avoid crimes, why weren’t you using goods and services, not friends and family? Yes, that would have cost you money, but added security. Sending friends and family, while saying that you were trying to avoid risks rings hollow.

 

[ekricket]

If you were trying to avoid crimes, why weren’t you using goods and services, not friends and family? Yes, that would have cost you money, but added security. Sending friends and family, while saying that you were trying to avoid risks rings hollow.

Just jump in in here with no info.
I used G&S first, it charged him money and me fees. The screenshot you see was about the third time trying different ways to see what was generating the fees. No matter how you pay, no matter which service you use it’s there. But go ahead and keep jumping to conclusions.

I’ll have to point out that I didn’t start this thread. I was working with a seller and, well you see how he handles his business. But if course this is no reflection on anything, as I am a villain.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Welcome to the party! I've been waiting for you to show up!

I'm hereeeeeee

 

[moose]

All I ask for is terms up front. Not “well, try it several ways and it may cost more than you think I dunno”

I got upset because I suspected PayPal would charge me more. I asked him to confirm. He replied he didn’t know what PayPal does, even though he obviously knows something about it. That’s what upset me, the dodge. Just be upfront.

Read post 4. Snapshot of what I wrote you. I was being upfront of what I see when I pay. I have no visibility on what people pay when they send me funds.

And I was relaying what a recent buyer advised. If he sent CAD it would be more than if he sent USD.

If only he were the one charging the fee, he may have had an answer for you. Yet he was not the right person to ask.

I don't think it is the seller's responsibility to work out the fees you would pay. The seller never sees the fees that the buyer pays. I've sold over 15k worth of chips this year. I have no idea what fees the buyer's paid. If someone asked me, how much extra it would be, I would have said "I dunno" too. I probably would have said "$3-$5" more too. I also ask for all transactions to be USD to USD because paypal exchange rates suck but I don't think there is any difference in the cost in the fee to the buyer. But again, "I dunno". I wouldn't know unless after the fact I contacted the buyer and asked him, "btw for future reference, what fees did you pay?"

I'm not sure why you expect the seller to be the Paypal customer service rep. I'm sure google would tell you what the international fees are. Why does the seller have to figure out in advance, let's see - if I sell Canada to Canada it is $x, Canada to USA it is $x, Canada to France it is $x, Canada to Germany it is $x and so on so he can be prepared in advance? I joined the blue wall back in 2008. No-one has ever asked me to figure out for them what fees they will pay and I still wouldn't know.

It would be the equivalent of me purchasing chips from a USA seller, and the seller asking me to figure out how much USPS is going to charge for him to mail the package to Canada. I dunno, can't you go to the post office and ask? How am I expected to know what American postage rates are?

 

[Sprouty]

Just jump in in here with no info.
I used G&S first, it charged him money and me fees. The screenshot you see was about the third time trying different ways to see what was generating the fees. No matter how you pay, no matter which service you use it’s there. But go ahead and keep jumping to conclusions.

I’ll have to point out that I didn’t start this thread. I was working with a seller and, well you see how he handles his business. But if course this is no reflection on anything, as I am a villain.

If it makes you feel better I rate you both at a D-

 

[BGinGA]

Yeah, but this is @ekricket. He's special.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Just jump in in here with no info.
I used G&S first, it charged him money and me fees. The screenshot you see was about the third time trying different ways to see what was generating the fees. No matter how you pay, no matter which service you use it’s there. But go ahead and keep jumping to conclusions.

I’ll have to point out that I didn’t start this thread. I was working with a seller and, well you see how he handles his business. But if course this is no reflection on anything, as I am a villain.

Every drama needs a villain. It's time to hole up in a mountain shaped like your face and create a "space laser"....

 

[Machine]

@ekricket - to me it seems like 5 USD is a bargain for the lack of drama that could have been. You gotta let the small things go, Duke wasn't trying to fuck you over man, its a paypal fee, he doesn't know and could give a shit, its 5 bucks, come on...

I just over paid an auction out where the dude threw in a 5 USD fee, and call it shipping, and then I paid F&F so he wouldn't get another fee. 2 weeks ago a guy at the table called me 'Assist Leader', so I bet 40 and muck'd, then joked about 'Assist Leader' all night. I then went online and had a shirt made 'Assist Leader' its suppose to be in today, I can't wait to wear it to the game.

If you want, I'll burn a 5 USD for you?

#InThisTogether - ahahahahah!

 

[pltrgyst]

. I think the benefit of the doubt would go a long way here.

Well, this might be great advice if you were really Canadian and could spell the name of your province. Clearly another CIA dark op gone bad ...

 

[horseshoez]

This the same guy that backs out of an auction after he wins it on the basis of being spooked and weirded out by it? That @ekricket? Mind you, he got the most respectful response from me which was to the tune of, “I totally understand.”

Park the bulldozer and get out of the cabin man. My sincere advice to you is to get busy building relationships on here rather than demolishing them.

 

[ekricket]

This the same guy that backs out of an auction after he wins it on the basis of being spooked and weirded out by it? That @ekricket? Mind you, he got the most respectful response from me which was to the tune of, “I totally understand.”

Park the bulldozer and get out of the cabin man. My sincere advice to you is to get busy building relationships on here rather than demolishing them.

Let’s talk about a “new “ PayPal address that donated to things I have no idea about. More of the poppin shim sham, send it to my “new” PayPal account

 

[ekricket]

W

Let’s talk about a “new “ PayPal address that donated to things I have no idea about. More of the poppin shim sham, send it to my “new” PayPal account

I was waiting till the spooky accounts settled. Then you suggested that if I was uncomfortable you would back out, I said ok. I never asked to back out and I was committed to pay when it was safe.

 

[horseshoez]

Let’s talk about a “new “ PayPal address that donated to things I have no idea about. More of the poppin shim sham, send it to my “new” PayPal account

Really? You’re accusing me now of being part of a sham even though I used a PayPal email address easily searchable and found across Google to be legitimate not to mention tied to an organization I own. Full transparency and easy for anybody to look up information. Not good enough for you negative Nancy?

 

[horseshoez]

Spooky accounts? Dude look at my history and my rapport with people here. I once held close to 30k in chips at my house for people I reship for. I’ve got nothing to hide here. Stop with the “suspenseful” drama.

 

[ekricket]

Dude, this is the thread to post pms. Post it if you want. Seems to be the thing to do.

 

[Josh Kifer]

 

[horseshoez]

I don’t post private conversations. Muddies the waters. Just not something I do unless absolutely necessary and requires full transparency. Point here is to try and point out there’s no reason to be on the offensive. It’s fruitless.