RivieraDanny
Royal Flush
Bravo Tom!! PERFECT!!
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Yea, it also seems that there’s a lot of transactions that happen mostly/purely via PM (which seems like how poppin behaved recently)
RivieraDanny
Royal Flush
No. Dibs is not what we’re talking about here. Scamming is. I believe I addressed that with you. They were sold via pm without me seeing your “dibs”. but good point. I will never again run a dibs sale for that reason. Let’s not digress.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
When something “goes wrong” it’s always best for the parties to try and figure it out and resolve it before leaving negative feedback. IMO it’s actually the duty of both parties. More often than not when something “goes wrong” it’s a simple unintentional problem or mistake that is happily resolved. I feel an anonymous or delayed feedback system creates some disincentives.
For example, I have sent the wrong number of chips (I just totally miscounted an odd number of Partial rack chips that were pictured correctly) and also shipped a package without the address number that got lost. These are the types of things that eventually go wrong when you do enough trades even as a good faith chipper. In both of those instances as soon as I was made aware I apologized profusely and immediately made good with the buyer. I would hate in those instances for someone to have immediately left negative feedback without me knowing or have the chance to make good or defend myself or respond. Not that I would have done anything different, but once negative feedback is left or the feedback window is over there is less incentive to resolve problems and some issues can take longer than 30 days to resolve.
I honestly just think people need to use neutral and negative feedback a little more liberally. Also, perhaps feedback should be applied to PMed transactions.
Not aware of what ultimately happened to AP, but I was among the group who experienced issues behind the scenes. I ordered dealers buttons on Aug. 8, 2020 and he promptly acknowledged receipt of my order and payment on the same day. A couple of months went by before I inquired on the status in mid-October and received a reply that the order "will ship next week." I asked for the tracking number, which he didn't provide, and then silence on his end for two more months. During that span, I reached out and inquired about my order on multiple occasions before I got forceful on the final inquiry in mid-December.
Another week went by before he finally responded days before Christmas and apologized, saying he was having issues gaining access to a laser machine and offered to either make my DBs in January 2021 or refund my payment. I opted for for the refund given the experience and he said he would take care of it. I never received the refund, so just wrote it off as a loss when I noticed he was no longer a vendor.
ekricket
Royal Flush
I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I don’t use the feedback system for anything in its current form. The only people that get negative feedback are the obvious ones AFTER the bad shit piled up.
Positive feedback counts don’t mean anything meaningful in the current system except you have a bunch of internet friends.
Lol at the amateur detective work going on now. I know horseshitz isn't everyone's cup of tea but even I can see that he means well with all of the reshipping.
I think we can safely say he isn't part of some nefarious plan to hack all of our banking details.
I think we can safely say he isn't part of some nefarious plan to hack all of our banking details.
My favorite is 1 star amazon reviews that complain about something that is clearly the buyers fault.
I've never bothered looking either. There are much better ways of figuring out if someone is trustworthy than the feedback system. Its completely useless for the most part.
Eloe2000
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I don’t know any details of the situation you guys are referring to, but no we aren’t just talking about “scamming” here and it seems entirely arbitrary and innacurate and disingenuous to make that distinction. We are talking about making it known to the community when people do not deal straight, transparently, and fairly. Specifically, I think we all would have liked to have known about these PayPal shenanigans that poppin was doing that led up to the current situation. It is specifically these past actions that people are referring to that led up to the potential incidents of scamming now.
And the general matter of failing to honor dibs is certainly relevant to fair dealing. The way it sits right now, feedback cannot be left for transactions that didn’t happen and personally I think that is unfortunate.
OP
OP
Sad news. He made my awesome game plaques for my custom set. I was so happy with them and the whole process.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
1 Star: “Chips were listed as yellow but I hoped they would be green. I hate yellow but bought them anyway from ReallyGoodUsername. Also chips smelled like cats. I hate cats. Avoid unless you like cats”
Edit: for the record Toms chips smell delightful. Not like cats
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wuffle
3 of a Kind
I was not talking about scamming. He mentioned shipping blunder so I took it as mistakes he made during selling. And yea I agree with your point on feedback for transactions that didn't happen
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wuffle
3 of a Kind
And yea this is the second time it has happened to me (with another seller the first time). It was a trade thread but with a sales price quoted. I said that I will buy the set at his quoted price but somehow he did not honour it too
Hmm, I can see your point. I think maybe special edits can be made at a mod’s discretion? But this could also create a ton of extra work.
Could be a pick your poison type of scenario
@horseshoez moving forward, I would not continue to publicize or offer re-shipping services to anyone that comes along as that is a golden opportunity for a scammer. My suggestion would be to stick to the people in your circle now and only let new members in if someone in your current circle can vouch for them.
Based on the recent changes Poppin made to his account settings/options (for ex: preventing members from starting a PM with him) prior to getting himself banned, I'd take an educated guess and say he had a plan all long to scam members. I hope I'm wrong and everyone gets what they paid for.
Based on the recent changes Poppin made to his account settings/options (for ex: preventing members from starting a PM with him) prior to getting himself banned, I'd take an educated guess and say he had a plan all long to scam members. I hope I'm wrong and everyone gets what they paid for.
This for sure. I'm not blaming @horseshoez at all. He was only trying to help international buyers, and I know that "helping" does not necessarily constitute "backing" or "vouching" for someone else. However, it is possible that some buyers did take it that way.
I'll give it a few days per @horseshoez 's request, but please ping me if something gets together (gofundme, et al) if there are folks that are not made whole one way or another. I'd like to contribute in some way.
John Conor
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Has anyone tried going backwards and seeing if this is possible. 500 PNY $1’s sounds funny to me. There were 4 or 5 of us looking and I think some wanted threads are still open. Took me a couple months to find one rack. That’s a lot of Terribles fracs too, but I don’t know anything about if that’s possible. Odd how the most expensive chips seem to be the racks sold most often.
I think his generosity was taken advantage of. F'in shame.
OP
OP
Great idea! I would like to as well
Honestly, I won't want to accept it. The tax changes don't go into effect until next year, so I guess we all have time to figure stuff out. But at this point, my best option is to sell anything and everything that I don't need, before January, and after that, never sell anything on the internet again.
It sounds extreme, but I hate dealing with taxes paperwork, and if selling is now going to cost me money and/or create a bunch of paperwork, why would I want that as a hobby?
5aces
Full House
I think @Bloody Marvelous met him once at his home?! Maybe he has a correct address or an idea how to help?!
We did this yeah, if you look through the previous pages. It’s pretty clear that Poppin didn’t own all of the many racks/sets he sold us.
jpietrella
4 of a Kind
It's been a few minutes.
OP
OP
I think you’re right. I remember something like that
BirdCage
Flush
It was always something with this guy.
Anyway, I wanted to mention two specific things, that while maybe have no ability to be enforced, people should keep in mind.
- I have never and will never buy chips that the seller does not physically have in their possession. I have seen it happening a bit lately, where someone purchases chips and immediatelyflips lists them as available. There are just simply too many factors that could go awry in the interim. I would be fine doing it with very trusted members/OGs/friends via PM and with a full transparent picture of the situation, but certainly not openly on the Classifieds.
- It is likely easier said than done in leaving negative feedback while there is an ongoing transaction that you have already paid for, because your money is gone and your chips are in limbo. With zero communication or reliable communication, you don't know the truth of things and whether or not they were actually sent out, so there is an underlying feeling that negative feedback will result in ending up with neither. I would assume a lot of the people that were on the wrong end of Poppin's shenanigans had this happening, due to him being international (hence being a little more forgiving with how long things take and shipping issues due to Covid) and his general ...uh... let's use the word "demeanor". I wonder how this side of feedback could be rectified or better met.
Just a couple things to consider/ponder during all this.
I truly hope everyone gets made whole, either monetarily or with their chips. I strongly empathize with the situation, so will just leave it with a simple, "where there is smoke, there is fire". People may vouch for others, but ultimately you are making the final call with your money and/or chips. Don't learn this the hard way.
Anyway, I wanted to mention two specific things, that while maybe have no ability to be enforced, people should keep in mind.
- I have never and will never buy chips that the seller does not physically have in their possession. I have seen it happening a bit lately, where someone purchases chips and immediately
- It is likely easier said than done in leaving negative feedback while there is an ongoing transaction that you have already paid for, because your money is gone and your chips are in limbo. With zero communication or reliable communication, you don't know the truth of things and whether or not they were actually sent out, so there is an underlying feeling that negative feedback will result in ending up with neither. I would assume a lot of the people that were on the wrong end of Poppin's shenanigans had this happening, due to him being international (hence being a little more forgiving with how long things take and shipping issues due to Covid) and his general ...uh... let's use the word "demeanor". I wonder how this side of feedback could be rectified or better met.
Just a couple things to consider/ponder during all this.
I truly hope everyone gets made whole, either monetarily or with their chips. I strongly empathize with the situation, so will just leave it with a simple, "where there is smoke, there is fire". People may vouch for others, but ultimately you are making the final call with your money and/or chips. Don't learn this the hard way.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
The feedback system is not offering enough protection of users aren't comfortable leaving honest feedback on sales because "community culture."
I think this is a pretty good solution @Tommy should consider.
Maybe 20 days is excessive, but if a period of 7-14 days is used, it's long enough to force the parties to reach out to each other to fix issues. I can appreciate the concern that negative feedback is wrong without an attempt to communicate, but I think having this feedback window open for some length of time and editable would be an improved procedure for dealing with the fear of revenge feedback and leading to more accurate assessment of member transactions.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Really dude? You are going to mock a user name while pretending to pay a compliment.
Revealing extremely childish behavior here
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