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Full House
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Not sure if there's consensus on this, but I think it boils down to the following progressions:
0.05 - 0.25 - $1
0.10 - 0.50 - $1
5c only ...no dimes.
5c only ...no dimes. My first micro cash set had both and the players liked it but I hated it (it looked good in the racks though). We play 5c/5c limit now with a ton of 5c's
Just curious. 5c/5c blinds. Or 5c limit betting rounds. I was thinking of having my first casual home game a limit spread 10¢-$1or$2 with 5¢/10¢ blinds
I totally disagree with the above concept of teaching new players bad tricks.5c raise for all four betting rounds (instead of first two 5c and the last two 10c). They are not poker players so its less confusing for them to keep it 5c each time. We do a 5x raise limit each betting round so max 25c each time per player.
I totally disagree with the above concept of teaching new players bad tricks.
Start 'em out correctly with the proper stucture and protocols -- they will thank you later.
That’s how I feel with my group I’m trying to round back up. We used to “back in the day” just pass out the dice chips “I get the blues, I get the reds, I want blue and white”. Whoever got all the chips won. I would like to introduce the cash game but don’t want them to feel like “it’s about the money” because really it’s not at this point.Problem is...they don't want to play standard rules. For this game, its about socializing and drinking, they have no desire to learn any other way. I had 5c/10c limit, and they hated it. Add new games, hated it. God forbid I tried hi/lo Omaha and it was like I killed their first born son LOL. Removed NL because thats what they want. I host but I know the game is not about making money or playing casino level, thats what the other games are for
Problem is...they don't want to play standard rules. For this game, its about socializing and drinking, they have no desire to learn any other way. I had 5c/10c limit, and they hated it. Add new games, hated it. God forbid I tried hi/lo Omaha and it was like I killed their first born son LOL. Removed NL because thats what they want. I host but I know the game is not about making money or playing casino level, thats what the other games are for
Only problem is we are all new to the official rules of poker. I’ve probably tripled my knowledge in the past month just reading this forum. And I want to teach what I’ve learned for those exact reasons you state. “Let’s get playing the “right way”. What I’ve found out to be called “angles” was part of our game 15 years ago if you weren’t “tricking” people with your betting (I. E. Rolling one chip at a time, calling all in and taking it back) back then or saying stupid stuff you probably didn’t belong in our game and we’re in it “just for the money”. Which is why I wanna go micro. Because someone always would but out early and loose interest and leave.I also strongly oppose the MaxB concept.
Teach them right, right out of the gate. Limit, low-stakes NL, or Deep Stacked low buy-in tournaments. No other option is remotely acceptable for teaching beginners. Teach them something wrong the first time, and you will always be fighting a battle to teach them correctly.
Same thing goes with chip colors. You can do what you want, but anything other than conventional colors is doing new players a disservice.
Ever think about a 5c(ANTE) with 5c/10c Blinds?
5¢-5¢ limit isn't going to play radically differently than 5¢-10¢ from a budgetary perspective, unless every player is calling every street until showdown. What it does, is deter better play, and ingrain a bad habit. Your "Customers" like it, because you have already built in bad habits. These players are now locked into bad play, and can never play elsewhere without being blindsided by proper poker play. Thus the term, "disservice". They will never get to play in a normal limit game (nothing wrong with limit, I pitch it occasionally during our "Special Format Game", and Limit is a staple at any meet-up) without looking like total noobs.What is wrong with 5c/5c limit? I can jack it up to 5/10, does it really make a difference in a $5 buyin? Cater to your customers, they like what they like. I run other games that are "standard" that they are always welcome to play in. These are non poker players who make fun of my chips... "waste of money". It's taken me two years just to get Omaha and Pineapple into the mix and even then, they hardly select it with dealers choice. No limit is out,. they all quit playing it.
But none if them are going to the pros. And at most would be rec league flag football with no kicking or punting just throws. I don’t see a problem running a game any way you want. I think the idea behind this game is they will still be playing 5c/5c in their 80’s and still not wanting to change.You could teach everyone that football is more fun if the offense gets five downs instead of four, but one day one of your players might get to the pros and .....
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You could teach your kids baseball by teaching them to run the bases clockwise. They will have fun. When you say "Let's do this the right way" They may resist the counter-clockwise direction. They may never play pro ball, and that's fine, it's not about the money. But someday, they may get an offer from someone else to play (unless you are literally the only friend they will ever have) and it will not go well for them.
Just because you refuse to actually teach them the game.
The problem, is that this is a forum that thousands have come to for advice.But none if them are going to the pros. And at most would be rec league flag football with no kicking or punting just throws. I don’t see a problem running a game any way you want. I think the idea behind this game is they will still be playing 5c/5c in their 80’s and still not wanting to change.
Again another bad sports analogy. These guys are rec league softball who just need to run to first base on a home run. There are 2 bags at first base, One for runner one for fielder. It pins me watching high school or any baseball that aren’t professional come out of the box with the wrong foot, take a terrible angle out of the box. Hit the bags while running the bases with the wrong foot. Not aware of the outfields pre pitch position and their reaction off the bat. Pains me seeing these things. But if there there in little league to have fun I’ll let it pass. A lot more to clockwise, counterclockwise.
Again I feel these are “recreational” poker players. So I can’t see the professional player analogies. If one wanted to move up the ranks I’m sure they will find a way.
As for OP. I’d stick with the 5¢ because that sounds like the sweet spot. I mean one rack of 5¢ Is $5 cash.
The problem, is that this is a forum that thousands have come to for advice.
The best advice, is to always run a game as professionally as is feasible. MatB can't change, because he started before he knew the real rules to Limit. It doesn't make it good advice, so it shouldn't be widely distributed. Any suggestion otherwise should be met with logical, non-confrontational reasoning
My own game doesn't follow 100% of casino rules. I normally balance tables when there is a discrepancy of 3, not 2, because it's difficult to move around the narrow room without bumping others or risking a drink/chip spill. Our tournament rebuys give players 110% of the starting stack. We allow cussing, because we are all friends, and honestly, the Christian women the dirtiest mouths in our group.
Changing the rules is something that can be done, but I would never suggest to someone that they should allow swearing at their game. I would never suggest a mono-limit game. I would be happy to play in one, provided I knew up front that the rule was different here. MatB seems to be a great host with a very friendly game.
But if he suggests to a new host that that is how it should be done, the forum should speak in unison - it is not how it should be done, and I pointed out the reason why.
This is exactly what I’m going to try and do with my friends. Since I’ve found this site I am on a poker itch that I need to scratch! And I want to get em all doing it right!Teach them the right way. They may not go pro, but maybe they’ll go to a different game, and it’s also good for you, if you ever play in Vegas or anywhere else it’s good to know how to play properly.
I’m the only one in my crew that knows the rules, but I never stop teaching them, while
keeping it fun.
I hear ya. I just didn’t like the pro sport analysis/analogy. Didn’t think it worked. I love this site and you all are great at providing advice!The problem, is that this is a forum that thousands have come to for advice.
The best advice, is to always run a game as professionally as is feasible. MatB can't change, because he started before he knew the real rules to Limit. It doesn't make it good advice, so it shouldn't be widely distributed. Any suggestion otherwise should be met with logical, non-confrontational reasoning.
Wish me luck! I plan on gently introducing them to cash and proper tourney play. And in the past (like 15 years ago) if someone said “naw that’s not the rule” we adjusted and went with the right rule. Always adjusting.100% this. Even if you have a crew you've been playing with for years the WRONG way, it's good to move them in the right direction. We play the proper way mostly, but part of that is because it's fun, but the rules should be followed for the most part. Before PCF we did nearly everything wrong, I couldn't change the game overnight, but just one piece at a time.