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Does that include "adopting" chips during the initial chip sales of the The Chiproom?
Ok the classic sight unseen sales - worth it!
Does that include "adopting" chips during the initial chip sales of the The Chiproom?
I voted no, but not because of any of the stuff you hear about vaccinations. I voted no because with my age (or lack thereof) and current physical condition I don't need it. There are plenty of people who do need it, I don't.
Yeah you are right - because the laws of supply and demand won't be used to maximize profits, cause all these companies are working on this vaccine out of the kindness of their hearts. High risk people get it first. I don't need it they do.You being young only means that you are less likely to suffer dire consequences than those in at risk groups.
It does not mean you can’t be a carrier, ergo you can still infect others.
In other words: unless there is a limited supply of Covid vaccines, I don’t really get the point you’re making.
Yeah you are right - because the laws of supply and demand won't be used to maximize profits, cause all these companies are working on this vaccine out of the kindness of their hearts. High risk people get it first. I don't need it they do.
In other news: Mel, that is an uncanny avatar likeness! And I knew we were sibs—TRKs and Cubbies?!?Yeah, vaccine is much too risky. I think I'll just apply rays of light internally, inside my body, and see how that works out.
Actually, I'm totally fine with people not getting vaccinated against this thing. I just hope that the people I care about do.
This just isn't accurate. I've worked for a big pharma company for the last 15 years, the the focus of EVERY SINGLE conference we go to is patient centered. Of course profits are important, but I can assure you that what you stated isn't the goal.I'll take my chances with my own immune system over big pharma that's primary goal is revenue generation. They want us hooked on expensive drugs for the rest of our lives to line their pockets, rather than cured.
This just isn't accurate. I've worked for a big pharma company for the last 15 years, the the focus of EVERY SINGLE conference we go to is patient centered. Of course profits are important, but I can assure you that what you stated isn't the goal.
If you think that these companies won’t push for a global total roll out, you’re wrong.
This is one of those cases where supply and demand won’t be manipulated, for the very simple reason that demand right now is higher than it will ever be.
You need it too.
Stop assuming things.
Well said by a man who enjoys the main benefits of a single payer health care system. Here in the United States, the exact opposite is true.If there's one thing I've learned from threads like these it's how little people actually know about "Big Pharma" and how those companies work.
Honestly, it's a little of both profit and patient care.I'd love to fully believe this...and mostly do...I run on the assumption that most humans are generally good people until proven otherwise.
Unfortunately we have real life examples like "Pharma Bro" to provide a pretty strong counter argument. I don't know of any other examples specifically, but just the general idea of "generic" vs "brand name" life saving medications makes me tend to believe that there is plenty of greed and a lack of altruism at the top levels of many big pharma companies. I wouldn't even say I disagree with their actions, given the capitalist system that we live in these companies are (I assume) fully within their rights to protect their patents and investments. If the system we've set up encourages it, why wouldn't they?
Back on topic - it depends. If this is a one-time vaccine my family and I are much more likely to get it. We've had varying luck with the flu vaccine - more often than not it seems to make us sick, and neither my wife or I (or any of the kids) have been anything more than mildly sick in the years we have NOT received it. We got it when our kids were infants and/or my wife was pregnant, but now that we are lower risk we tend not to unless there are other circumstances that would lead us towards it (such as a high risk family member or loved one/friend that we are regularly in contact with).
In any case I am in the camp of waiting for a short period of time (some measure of months) to see how effective the vaccine is and also if there are any adverse side effects. If it proves itself effective with minor side effects we would get it. I don't believe that the vaccine is going to contain any "Gates microchips" or any of that nonsense, I just think it's prudent to wait a bit.
You're not just taking chances with yourself. Herd immunity is a thing, and it benefits all of us.I'll take my chances with my own immune system over big pharma that's primary goal is revenue generation. They want us hooked on expensive drugs for the rest of our lives to line their pockets, rather than cured.
Well said by a man who enjoys the main benefits of a single payer health care system. Here in the United States, the exact opposite is true.
Now look, I am not saying "big pharma" will try to hurt us. I am saying people who need it will get it before I will. That means they will have to either give it away for free, or make a deal with the government so everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) gets it. Other people need it WAY more than I do.
Now look, I am not saying "big pharma" will try to hurt us.
You’re a Windy Crest Administrator. That’s not the health care industry.I will, and I'll have my kids get it also. As I work for a health care company it will probably be required anyway.
Ugh. Well, that seems to remove one of the main financial incentives for not screwing it up.Interesting declaration in April by HHS, regarding liability immunity for vaccine manufacturers, as well as others in the medical field, particularly related to Covid-19. I’ve linked the article, but this is the most pertinent bit:
“The declaration provides liability immunity to certain individuals and entities — referred to as “covered persons” — against any claim of loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the manufacture, testing, development, distribution, administration, and/or use of COVID-19 medical countermeasures (covered countermeasures).”
https://www.marsh.com/us/insights/research/covid-19-liability-immunity-under-prep-act.html
Ugh. Well, that seems to remove one of the main financial incentives for not screwing it up.
Still, it's not really going to change my approach: look at every scrap of data available on the vaccine, and barring any big red flags, get myself and my family vaccinated reasonably soon.
They aren't avoiding all liability, there are limitations that seem to provide some protection against negligence. This is one example from the link provided by @Beakertwang:Some might view manufacturers avoiding any legal liability prior to the release of the vaccine as a "big red flag". If there wasn't a significant perceived risk then they wouldn't bother covering themselves in this manner.
It is a bit like financial advisors that sell mutual funds. They get paid whether your investments make money or not so they don't have any real skin in the game. When people don't have skin in the game it is often a good indicator that your interests are not aligned with theirs.
Under the PREP ACT and the HHS secretary’s declaration, immunity from liability is limited and does not apply to liability for death or serious physical injury caused by willful misconduct.
I have been in that camp since I became old enough and wise enough to form an opinion on it. Problem is here in the USA the dollar is king, and insurance companies have more of them than anyone elseThat seems fair.
On the single payer healthcare system: can recommend. You guys should try it. It's fun.
would they legally be able to turn away customers, too? I'll be getting the vaccine, granted, but it still seems discriminatory to me.
I was planning to get the vaccine when it's available, but I really don't want to be part of a test group. The way things are going, that's what I think its going to be during the first year or so.