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DMack said:
Why don’t you ask the two adopted girls in my home about how “victimless” drugs are? One is 18 and the other is 9. Forget the 18 year old, strike up a conversation with the little 9 year old about what she has seen and knows.

I shouldn’t be the least bit surprised, but the idiocy of some of the remarks on here is really fascinating.
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I never said people on drugs don’t commit crimes. Selling, buying, possessing, or using drugs are actions that have no victims. It’s awful what people can do to one another, especially when it’s the little ones they’re supposed to love and protect. But decades of the so-called war on drugs has done nothing to end the proliferation of drugs or rehabilitate addicts, but rather has grown the prison population and empowered the police to be more intrusive and militarized.

FWIW, I admire you for adopting those girls—seriously.
 
Josh Kifer said:
You'll need the explain more for him....
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DMack said:
Clarify, please. I’ll be waiting...
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BGinGA said:
I do believe he was referring to the idiocy of some of your remarks on here.
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My apologies, did not want to keep you waiting. Dave did answer the question accurately. Thank You, Dave.

I try to avoid these types of arguments like the plague because they go nowhere and are not productive. I probably typed responses and erased them three different times on Thursday. I just couldn't help myself with the snide remark yesterday.

DMack said:
Just like drugs are “victimless”...until they aren’t.

Civil asset forfeiture is a great thing. Each state is different, but in my state (Missouri), all civil forfeiture goes to the school system. Not one penny to the departments. No early retirements for the popo. And no margarita machines
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DMack said:
What’s corrupt is letting criminals keep their ill-gotten gain. I could be wrong, though. Maybe we should let criminals keep tens of thousands of dollars, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, sitting in their safe next to their government funded handout cards in their government funded homes (these are actual cases). I can cherry pick actual cases with you for as long as you like.
Again, I can’t speak for other states, but if you can prove the money is yours and hasn’t been obtained nefariously and you’ve paid the proper taxes on it, it goes right back to the owner. Many of these cases are never “fought” because those simple measures can’t be completed.
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It is THEIR responsibility to prove you obtained the money nefariously. Proved in a court of law beyond a reasonable a doubt, not some officers ability to provide a preponderance of evidence. Judging by your comments and take on the situation I assume you are in some form or another connected to a law enforcement agency or connected agency? Just looking for full disclosure, it may explain a few things.
DMack said:
Seized based on probable cause. Pretty simple, actually.
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So probable cause good, due process bad?
 
abby99 said:
If only!!! It's still illegal at the federal level and is still classified as a Class I drug, right up there with heroin and LSD. Just because the feds aren't enforcing the law aggressively, it's still an illegal substance nationwide.

Maybe some day it will be possible to buy edibles online from a US company and pay with a credit card.

Edited to remove political comments.
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Didn't I hear that the Senate proposed a bill to decrimalize weed?
 
WedgeRock said:
Didn't I hear that the Senate proposed a bill to decrimalize weed?
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There was a provision in the COVID relief bill that would allow banks to participate in the cannabis industry - i.e. they could use credit cards. Mitch McConnell touted the fact publicly that he had it stricken from the bill.

Not to get political - because there are certainly supporters on both sides of the isle - but as long as Republicans and McConnell hold Senate control, there will be no federal legislation. We will find out in 3 days. Georgians need to get out and vote (again).
 
WedgeRock said:
Interesting article, thanks.

So if you're gonna sell heroine, buy a beater car and leave the $42,000 Land Rover at home.
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I shared the article with a good friend that works the Narco unit locally. He said almost all the small dealers use a rental/lease car so that if they get busted dealing from it there isn’t anything to take.
 
Rhodeman77 said:
I shared the article with a good friend that works the Narco unit locally. He said almost all the small dealers use a rental/lease car so that if they get busted dealing from it there isn’t anything to take.
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So civil forfeiture not only helps boost the local economy but also acts as a tool of Darwinism to root out the dumb criminals?

(Idk I’m bored, ignore me :D)
 
Poker Zombie said:
There was a provision in the COVID relief bill that would allow banks to participate in the cannabis industry - i.e. they could use credit cards. Mitch McConnell touted the fact publicly that he had it stricken from the bill.
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Hadn't heard that part. Thanks for the update.
 
Oof. Just discovered this thread. WTF??? So fucked up. On every level.
 
DMack said:
However, I happen to know law enforcement from all over the country (and other countries), and I have yet to be privy to the “let’s go abuse the asset forfeiture laws” meetings.
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You make light of the facts here as if they're coordinating on how they can abuse the system. I'm sure the majority of cops that show up to raids like this aren't there to try to steal people's shit. They're just doing their job. But some cops are bad. You have to acknowledge this. How would you explain the seemingly magical disappearance of the Mosin rifle (or the other gun) that the officers were admiring while they were seizing his property? It wasn't even listed in the inventory as being seized per @daschuck77's testimony, and I see no reason to think he is lying about it. How would you explain this?

I'd wager good money that if internal affairs decided to raid the homes/gun safes of each of the officers involved in this "illegal poker game" crackdown that the disappearing Mosin rifle just might magically appear.
 
RainmanTrail said:
You make light of the facts here as if they're coordinating on how they can abuse the system. I'm sure the majority of cops that show up to raids like this aren't there to try to steal people's shit. They're just doing their job. But some cops are bad. You have to acknowledge this. How would you explain the seemingly magical disappearance of the Mosin rifle (or the other gun) that the officers were admiring while they were seizing his property? It wasn't even listed in the inventory as being seized per @daschuck77's testimony, and I see no reason to think he is lying about it. How would you explain this?

I'd wager good money that if internal affairs decided to raid the homes/gun safes of each of the officers involved in this "illegal poker game" crackdown that the disappearing Mosin rifle just might magically appear.
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You’re right, Travis. Like always. I’m sure that’s exactly what happened to it. You have everything figured out. Again, like always.
 
Whaaaat, this is bat shit crazy. I thought this was going to be a wind up when i started reading. This is seriously messed up. I hope you get all your stuff back in good condition also. Sucks man
 
DMack said:
You’re right, Travis. Like always. I’m sure that’s exactly what happened to it. You have everything figured out. Again, like always.
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I don't see how this response contributes to the conversation. I also don't see how what I stated could in any way be viewed as being even remotely controversial. I never claimed to have everything (or anything) "figured out". I said I'd wager good money on the rilfe having been stolen by one of the officers involved. But you dodged my question. I'm sincerely asking you. What do you think happened to the Mosin rifle?

Here are the facts per @daschuck77's testimony:
- It was being admired by the officers during the raid
- It was confiscated by the officers
- Everything else that was confiscated was inventoried and accounted for (with the exception of the other missing gun)
- The Mosin rifle was not returned to @brains613
- The Mosin rifle was not even on the inventory list

The simplest and most obvious explanation here is that one of the officers decided to keep it for themselves. Can you come up with other explanations? Sure. Perhaps the officer hit a nasty pothole on the ride back to the station which caused his knee to slam up against the underside of the dash, causing the trunk latch to engage and the rifle hopped out of the trunk, crashing down on the pavement below and the officer didn't notice it. Perhaps the officer who was admiring it so dearly on site was, in fact, a stand-up guy, and he, in fact, did turn it in and it was actually the person in charge of the inventory at the station who decided to keep it for themselves instead. Or perhaps as the officer was grabbing all of the confiscated items from the trunk of his car Sigfried and Roy showed up and performed a magic trick that made the Mosin rifle "disappear" without him realizing it. Surely there are any number of possible explanations for what could have happened to the rifle. Some plausible, some ridiculous. But Occam's Razor would say that it was simply stolen by one of the officers.

Perhaps your bias would lead you to prefer to entertain the possibility that the entire story is made up and that he either never had a Mosin rifle to begin with, or that he did in fact get the gun back and is just lying about it. Sure, that's possible too. But you'd probably be the only person in here who believes that to be the case if so, and it'd be quite the assertion to make.

So I'll ask you again @DMack, how do you explain the missing Mosin rifle? And please refrain from resorting to personal attacks. I realize we don't see eye-to-eye on many things, but let's just leave that aside please. I'd prefer to discuss what you actually think happened here.
 
RainmanTrail said:
I don't see how this response contributes to the conversation. I also don't see how what I stated could in any way be viewed as being even remotely controversial. I never claimed to have everything (or anything) "figured out". I said I'd wager good money on the rilfe having been stolen by one of the officers involved. But you dodged my question. I'm sincerely asking you. What do you think happened to the Mosin rifle?

Here are the facts per @daschuck77's testimony:
- It was being admired by the officers during the raid
- It was confiscated by the officers
- Everything else that was confiscated was inventoried and accounted for (with the exception of the other missing gun)
- The Mosin rifle was not returned to @brains613
- The Mosin rifle was not even on the inventory list

The simplest and most obvious explanation here is that one of the officers decided to keep it for themselves. Can you come up with other explanations? Sure. Perhaps the officer hit a nasty pothole on the ride back to the station which caused his knee to slam up against the underside of the dash, causing the trunk latch to engage and the rifle hopped out of the trunk, crashing down on the pavement below and the officer didn't notice it. Perhaps the officer who was admiring it so dearly on site was, in fact, a stand-up guy, and he, in fact, did turn it in and it was actually the person in charge of the inventory at the station who decided to keep it for themselves instead. Or perhaps as the officer was grabbing all of the confiscated items from the trunk of his car Sigfried and Roy showed up and performed a magic trick that made the Mosin rifle "disappear" without him realizing it. Surely there are any number of possible explanations for what could have happened to the rifle. Some plausible, some ridiculous. But Occam's Razor would say that it was simply stolen by one of the officers.

Perhaps your bias would lead you to prefer to entertain the possibility that the entire story is made up and that he either never had a Mosin rifle to begin with, or that he did in fact get the gun back and is just lying about it. Sure, that's possible too. But you'd probably be the only person in here who believes that to be the case if so, and it'd be quite the assertion to make.

So I'll ask you again @DMack, how do you explain the missing Mosin rifle? And please refrain from resorting to personal attacks. I realize we don't see eye-to-eye on many things, but let's just leave that aside please. I'd prefer to discuss what you actually think happened here.
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Has anyone checked down the back of the sofa?
 
BonScot said:
Has anyone checked down the back of the sofa?
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I'm sure it'll turn up. All cops are super trustworthy and honest people. There's absolutely no scenario whatsoever that any cop would have kept it for themselves. They're probably just getting the wood refinished on it before they return it to him. Maybe it lost a bit of its luster so they decided to restore it for him.
 
RainmanTrail said:
I'm sure it'll turn up. All cops are super trustworthy and honest people. There's absolutely no scenario whatsoever that any cop would have kept it for themselves. They're probably just getting the wood refinished on it before they return it to him. Maybe it lost a bit of its luster so they decided to restore it for him.
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I live with a cop and I don’t trust her to be left in the house with a six pack of beer. “I never touched your beers. You must have drank them!”
Oh is that right detective? Let’s call in CSI Glasgow shall we? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Having been a victim of police theft, where the police defended with "Can you prove it was there," I fully believe that the rifle - or anything confiscated and not yet returned - will never reappear.

Cops are just people. Some good, some bad. They are also unquestionably armed, which leverages their ability to do good... or bad.
 
BonScot said:
I live with a cop and I don’t trust her to be left in the house with a six pack of beer. “I never touched your beers. You must have drank them!”
Oh is that right detective? Let’s call in CSI Glasgow shall we? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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does she at least let you put the cuffs on her for an intense “interrogation”?
 

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