Throw away your Masks? (2 Viewers)

[Senzrock]

Right but if you’re vaccinated, what utility are you actually providing?

In my opinion we’ve gotten to the point where we all have herpes. We can tell people to wear a condom in perpetuity (never going to happen) or tell them not to shtup when they have an outbreak (more reasonable). Now that we have a medicine to not only help prevent outbreaks but infections, I don’t see why we can’t leave the Trojans in the bedside table.


I understand this point in theory but not in reality. If you’re vaccinated, you’ve already protected yourself immensely against the threat of anti-vaxxers, no? I know that you can still get it if vaccinated, but to me being vaccinated and wearing a mask because of the anti-vaxxers is like folding KJ preflop because you’re playing full-ring and someone probably has an Ace.

I’ll wear a mask because of a certain situation, but not because of the threat of anti-vaxxers.

It's unfortunately became clear that you can still carry/spread Covid even as a person who is fully vaxxed. You can also, on rare occasions, still be infected yourself (I literally know 3 people who this has happened with - no one close to me, and it's from an extended network, but still). This is less about my own fear of getting sick (I feel pretty good that even if I did get unlucky, it would be mild), but call me crazy but I still do worry about others around me. For example, I have a good friend who STILL has not gotten his shot. He wants to play poker with us and has been playing at casino's. How long can I tell him he can't play with us? Also, I'm going to Catskills Casino later today for the first time in 1.5 years. I would still wear my mask inside there because it's lots of super friendly retirees who I would feel some type of way about if I ended up getting them sick.

 

[Senzrock]

Again, I am pro just following the science and trying as best we can to get "back to normal" but inside no-mask wearing with strangers is still at least a few weeks if not months away for me personally. I'm glad we are headed into better weather so outside will be great.

 

[Himewad]

My son has a jazz band performance (outdoors) tonight. Technically, we should be allowed to watch the show sans mask, correct? The county in which I live has been one of the more strict mask mandate counties in our state, so I'm curious what the other parents will be doing, and what hoops the school will try to make us jump through.

I'll bring a mask, but it's gonna be in my pocket. And I'm not gonna be happy if I'm not allowed to watch my son perform unless I conform.

 

[ekricket]

rself (I literally know 3 people who this has happened with - no one close to me, and it's from an extended network, but still).

Yeah, this sounds really reliable....
You have heard some second or third or even fifteenth retelling of something that happened to someone that someone that I know who’s cousin said it was terrible - but it’s LITERALLY the truth. May as well of heard this shit in band camp.

 

[Kain8]

I’m struggling to find a reason why I, a fully vaccinated person (with a fully vaccinated family) should continue wearing a mask anywhere, inside or out.

I did play live poker this week for the first time, in a room where masks were optional. I wore mine, as did about half the people there. Though I’m not sure why. And based on the CDC’s statement, I doubt I’ll wear it again (when it’s optional.)

I keep an open mind, and I’ll continue to follow whatever directives are applicable. But I think that this point, I’ll only be wearing a mask when it’s required by a business or local government.

As for the anti-vax, anti-mask crowd, they’re no longer my concern.

Well said, I agree with this rationale. I can only hope we follow suit here in Canada in the near future when our vaccinations have been completed.

 

[Senzrock]

Yeah, this sounds really reliable....
You have heard some second or third or even fifteenth retelling of something that happened to someone that someone that I know who’s cousin said it was terrible - but it’s LITERALLY the truth. May as well of heard this shit in band camp.

Uhm OK, hope you have a better rest of your day.

 

[Senzrock]

I liked this tweet: “You don’t have to wear a condom if she’s on the pill.” - The CDC, apparently

 

[ekricket]

Uhm OK, hope you have a better rest of your day.

Well I heard from a guy who know this lady who works at the MVD and her cousin said I was going to have a great day so it’s obviously literally going to happen

 

[trigs]

I understand the pain people feel about having to wear masks. I have to wear a seat belt and stop at red lights while I'm driving every single day. Complete waste of time for me.

 

[Senzrock]

Well I heard from a guy who know this lady who works at the MVD and her cousin said I was going to have a great day so it’s obviously literally going to happen

Ok you're just a **** - got it! Enjoy.

 

[RudysNYC]

I understand the pain people feel about having to wear masks. I have to wear a seat belt and stop at red lights while I'm driving every single day. Complete waste of time for me.

Sorry my friend but you've been psyoped into believing that red lights are for "safety." They're really to manage the flow of traffic, that they help prevent crashes and accidents is as much "keeping traffic flowing" as it is "keeping people safe." Big TrafficLight just has us convinced it's for the benefit of our bones and not the roads

I would do my best to fight the power of Big TrafficLight, but they've got the cops and judges in their pocket

 

[ChipEnvy]

I understand this point in theory but not in reality. If you’re vaccinated, you’ve already protected yourself immensely against the threat of anti-vaxxers, no? I know that you can still get it if vaccinated, but to me being vaccinated and wearing a mask because of the anti-vaxxers is like folding KJ preflop because you’re playing full-ring and someone probably has an Ace.

I’ll wear a mask because of a certain situation, but not because of the threat of anti-vaxxers.

I have kids that aren't vaccinated yet. If I wear a mask to help make it the norm than the anitvaxxers will feel more social pressure to cover up, thus protecting my kids.

At least that is my take on it.

 

[jr8719]

I understand the pain people feel about having to wear masks. I have to wear a seat belt and stop at red lights while I'm driving every single day. Complete waste of time for me.

With that in mind then, you're going to carry on wearing a mask for the rest of your life to mitigate the risk, in the same way you do with a seat belt?

 

[Himewad]

I have kids that aren't vaccinated yet. If I wear a mask to help make it the norm than the anitvaxxers will feel more social pressure to cover up, thus protecting my kids.

At least that is my take on it.

There have been schools that have not required masks since last fall. There have been no widespread breakouts of positive cases, which is what we were told would happen if kids didn't mask up. Last spring, we had no idea what was going on. Since then, we have learned a lot. It's time to look at actual data. Take the masks off of our kids, and obviously anyone who is vaccinated.

 

[CraigT78]

My son has a jazz band performance (outdoors) tonight. Technically, we should be allowed to watch the show sans mask, correct? The county in which I live has been one of the more strict mask mandate counties in our state, so I'm curious what the other parents will be doing, and what hoops the school will try to make us jump through.

I'll bring a mask, but it's gonna be in my pocket. And I'm not gonna be happy if I'm not allowed to watch my son perform unless I conform.

Our school district released a note today that masks are still required on campus throughout the rest of the school year. I suspect this will be standard in most of the country, as students younger than 16 are not currently vaccinated.

 

[jr8719]

It's unfortunately became clear that you can still carry/spread Covid even as a person who is fully vaxxed. You can also, on rare occasions, still be infected yourself (I literally know 3 people who this has happened with - no one close to me, and it's from an extended network, but still). This is less about my own fear of getting sick (I feel pretty good that even if I did get unlucky, it would be mild), but call me crazy but I still do worry about others around me. For example, I have a good friend who STILL has not gotten his shot. He wants to play poker with us and has been playing at casino's. How long can I tell him he can't play with us? Also, I'm going to Catskills Casino later today for the first time in 1.5 years. I would still wear my mask inside there because it's lots of super friendly retirees who I would feel some type of way about if I ended up getting them sick.

But surely if you're that worried about others around you, why head to the casino in the first place?

Genuienly just trying to understand people's rationale; is the CDC's latest findings and guidance not indeed following the science?

 

[ChipEnvy]

There have been schools that have not required masks since last fall. There have been no widespread breakouts of positive cases, which is what we were told would happen if kids didn't mask up. Last spring, we had no idea what was going on. Since then, we have learned a lot. It's time to look at actual data. Take the masks off of our kids, and obviously anyone who is vaccinated.

Kids are wearing masks in school... if they are going to in person school, and if they are they are in 50% classrooms. Acosta school district near me is in the middle of a shut down for two weeks due to outbreaks even with these precautions.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

The real question is how do they verify rather you are fully vaccinated? Is the greeter at walmart going to ask each person for their vax card for the next year? 5 years? I don't see how they can police this properly and like @Klobberer said, the anti vaxxers will be the first to take them off and try to get around this.

First, remember that the CDC guidelines are just that - guidelines. They don't carry any legal weight. It will be up to state and local governments to decide if they want "proof of vaccination" mandates, and my personal opinion is that it generally won't happen, though there could be a few very specific exceptions.

Businesses can still require masks or proof of vaccination if they so choose, and there's no legal reason I know of to stop them. But again, I doubt you'll see this much. Some small mom and pop businesses may do it, but big retailers won't.

 

[Senzrock]

Well I heard from a guy who know this lady who works at the MVD and her cousin said I was going to have a great day so it’s obviously literally going to happen

Maybe you heard of the NY Yankees? You familiar with those lady's and cousins?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...d-19-here-s-how-that-could-happen/ar-BB1gHc8e

 

[Senzrock]

But surely if you're that worried about others around you, why head to the casino in the first place?

Genuienly just trying to understand people's rationale; is the CDC's latest findings and guidance not indeed following the science?

That's why I will be wearing a mask, yes, that was my entire point

I trust the CDC, but their communication has been pretty awful this past year.

 

[Frogzilla]

But surely if you're that worried about others around you, why head to the casino in the first place?

Genuienly just trying to understand people's rationale; is the CDC's latest findings and guidance not indeed following the science?

Science I’ve seen suggests 90% reduction in spreading of covid for folks with immunity from either prior infection or vaccination

So yes it’s a big risk reduction and yes it’s still possible

 

[rcpokertables]

Threat of anti-vaxxers.... lol. what about a threat of whatever you got injected with!

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Yeah, this sounds really reliable....
You have heard some second or third or even fifteenth retelling of something that happened to someone that someone that I know who’s cousin said it was terrible - but it’s LITERALLY the truth. May as well of heard this shit in band camp.

C'mon, this is kind of jerky.

@Senzrock is correct - we don't have much info yet on how likely it is that vaccinated people can carry or transmit the virus, but we know it's possible. There's a big story in the news today about eight members of the New York Yankees who tested positive after being vaccinated (and in some cases, after having COVID-19 and being vaccinated). All but one were asymptomatic.

Just over 9,000 cases of "breakthrough infections" (testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 after being vaccinated) have been reported in the US as of April 26. This is a tiny number considering that at the time, about 95 million Americans had been vaccinated, and it demonstrates the high level of vaccine effectiveness at reducing symptomatic infections. But it's probably not a complete picture for the number of asymptomatic breakthrough infections out there - after all, if I've been vaccinated and I'm not symptomatic, there's no reason for me to get tested unless it's mandated for some reason such as employment.

I'm not trying to push a panic button or anything - the vaccines work really well. I'm just saying that we don't know much about asymptomatic spread yet, and that's an area of concern for those who aren't vaccinated.

 

[Himewad]

Our school district released a note today that masks are still required on campus throughout the rest of the school year. I suspect this will be standard in most of the country, as students younger than 16 are not currently vaccinated.

Well, the football field is where we will be going for the band / orchestra / show choir performances tonight, and that's on campus. The football players didn't wear masks when they played last fall. The basketball players didn't wear masks when they played in the school gyms. Somehow, the school districts don't see the hypocrisy of their mandates.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Maybe you heard of the NY Yankees? You familiar with those lady's and cousins?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...d-19-here-s-how-that-could-happen/ar-BB1gHc8e

Oops, didn't see this when I cited the same story above.

 

[CraigT78]

Well, the football field is where we will be going for the band / orchestra / show choir performances tonight, and that's on campus. The football players didn't wear masks when they played last fall. The basketball players didn't wear masks when they played in the school gyms. Somehow, the school districts don't see the hypocrisy of their mandates.

No they don't. Spectators for softball had to wear masks, but the players didn't. Thankfully we only had one game where someone was acting as the "mask police", the rest of the games the overwhelming majority of folks were maskless or had them around chin.

 

[k9dr]

First, remember that the CDC guidelines are just that - guidelines. They don't carry any legal weight. It will be up to state and local governments to decide if they want "proof of vaccination" mandates, and my personal opinion is that it generally won't happen, though there could be a few very specific exceptions.

Businesses can still require masks or proof of vaccination if they so choose, and there's no legal reason I know of to stop them. But again, I doubt you'll see this much. Some small mom and pop businesses may do it, but big retailers won't.

Unfortunately, in FL that is not true. Our esteemed governor outlawed "vaccine passports"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article250999909.html

 

[RudysNYC]

@Senzrock is correct - we don't have much info yet on how likely it is that vaccinated people can carry or transmit the virus, but we know it's possible. There's a big story in the news today about eight members of the New York Yankees who tested positive after being vaccinated (and in some cases, after having COVID-19 and being vaccinated). All but one were asymptomatic.

I am not a doctor nor do I purport to be anything of the sort, but given the mass-breakout in a group that presumably was vaccinated all at once leads me to believe this was a problem with the lot they got vaccinated with. The chances of 8 vaccinated people from the same “pod” getting the virus all at once is unfathomably small (yes individual cases are more likely, but 8 at once is crazy). Keep in mind that one of the guys who has it now also had COVID in December and had side-effects after being vaccinated.

Given the context, I reckon they had a bad lot or vial (which can very easily happen).

 

[johnjohn]

Lovely milgram experiment we have here.

 

[ChipEnvy]

Threat of anti-vaxxers.... lol. what about a threat of whatever you got injected with!

I know right? I mean... is there really even a virus?