Play a hand of $1/2 SOHE with me! (1 Viewer)

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This is a hand from my game this past Friday night. We had a few of the players that like more mixed games especially after the last mixed game I had. We even started the night out with 2 rounds of it 4 handed until we filled up.

This hand takes place much later in the night when we’re down to 6 handed and switched the game up to 2 rounds of SOHE and 1 round of PLO.

Notes on relevant players:

Hero ($800 ish stack) is UTG and straddles for $5. I like to do this because most people have been limping unless they have AA or maybe KK to put in Hold’em. So if I wake up with a strong hand I can raise a lot more preflop than if they all limp for $2.

Hero is viewed as an action player, but more conservative than the other action players. Big bets usually mean big hands, but could also mean monster draws too, rarely a pure bluff.

UTG+1 is Brandon. ($1,000 stack) He and Hero have been playing poker together for 15+ years. We would often play heads up PLO after everyone else has left until 6am. We know each other’s game about as well as 2 people can. We ended up playing heads up PLO this night from 3-5am even.

Brandon is super loose preflop and tends to be pretty aggro too. Solid hand and range reading skills, not afraid to get his money in if he think thinks he can get a fold or if the pot is so big he can’t get away from it! He will often play hands blind preflop from outside while smoking.

Button: Dustin. ($1,000 stack) casino PLO player. Loves the action. He has only been playing poker for about 3 years now, the last 2 almost PLO exclusively. His game has come a long way in that time. Very aggressive pre and post flop. Loves putting pressure on when he holds key card blockers to the nuts. Hold’em game is pretty weak from lack of playing it.

So on to the action!

Preflop there is 1 fold and everyone else limps to Hero on the straddle who has :ts::th::8h::8s: in PLO and an absolute monster of :5c::2h: in Hold’em and checks his option.

Flop is :jc::9s::2d: Pot has $25 in it, action checks to Hero. What do we do, check or bet?
 
I fold because I've got no idea what game you are playing

SOHE is a split pot game. Players are dealt 6 cards that they split into a 4 card PLO hand and 2 card Hold’em hand. It is played with pot limit betting. If the hand gets to showdown the best Hold’em hand gets 1/2 the pot and the best PLO hand gets 1/2 the pot.
 
I’m assuming I’m behind on the Holdem side for sure, gonna need some serious help there. The PLO side is drawing to the nuts with backdoor de draw potential on a fairly dry board. I’m probably betting big trying to either take the pot down or pile money in when I make my PLO hand and pray for a clean runout. I don’t think I wanna have to take this to showdown because scooping is gonna be tough.

And I usually run like shit in SOHE, or have no idea what I’m doing haha
 
SOHE is a split pot game. Players are dealt 6 cards that they split into a 4 card PLO hand and 2 card Hold’em hand. It is played with pot limit betting. If the hand gets to showdown the best Hold’em hand gets 1/2 the pot and the best PLO hand gets 1/2 the pot.
Ok got it. As a man with vast Sohe experience, I check. The pot is small, you don't have a lot and are oop, so I don't see the point in building the pot right now, but I'm expecting to call most bets unless people start repotting.

That's the best I can come up with lol
 
We flop bottom pair in hold em, and while it is hard to make a pair, I'm not thrilled about out prospects on that side

In Omaha we flop what looks deceptively good, the open-ended straight draw. But only four cards in the deck give us the nuts, the four 7's

If an 8, T, Q or K hit the turn we could lose to someone with a higher straight draw

Yes, we have two of the nut draw blockers, but there's a lot of cards out there, and people are more likely to set their hands with higher broadway draws

I'm in favor of a check here
 
Check. Headed to check/fold. Hero's position is a problem

Hero's bottom pair in hold'em is almost never ahead. Someone put a pair on the hold'em side.

Hero has a simple OESD, half of the outs are second nut. Hero has blockers though. Hero also has draws to make a set, but those come at the cost of making a three straight on the board.

No card that helps Hero's hold'em side helps the Omaha side. Basically if hero is betting, it is little more than a Weak semi-bluff. I see no reason to do any of that.

Get out cheap, go on to the next hand -=- DrStrange
 
Hero knows his pair of 2’s is never good, someone always puts a pocket pair pair in Hold’em. PLO side is a little more tricky....

Hero checks. Brandon bets $25, Dustin calls, blinds fold. Action back to Hero.

Fold, call, or raise?
 
Hero knows his pair of 2’s is never good, someone always puts a pocket pair pair in Hold’em. PLO side is a little more tricky....

Hero checks. Brandon bets $25, Dustin calls, blinds fold. Action back to Hero.

Fold, call, or raise?


I'm in the fold camp, we have 4 clean outs on the Omaha side to give us the nuts (and even then we can still be outdrawn) and we're unlikely to win the hold em side.
 
I'm in the fold camp, we have 4 clean outs on the Omaha side to give us the nuts (and even then we can still be outdrawn) and we're unlikely to win the hold em side.
Same, but I’m nitty in mixed games post flop.

The last mixed game I had was the first and only time Dustin had played any kind of split pot games. Most of the time he only focused on one side of his hand and repeatedly called off his stack drawing to a chop!

SOHE he understood slightly better than Drawmaha and PLO8, but not by much.

Do we really want to fold still with a player like this in the hand still?
 
Someone who put pocket 6's or 4's in hold'em for set mining might let it go when they don't connect on the Omaha side. Normally, newer SOHE players will stack one side, but it's not unusual to see a small to middle pair broken up so that both sides can improve with the same board. Against two other players, I'm not certain that 22 is behind... It may actually be ahead.

I'm not betting the deuce-deuce, but it's always nice when those emergency pairs get you half the pot.

If we're gonna fold, fine. For the reasons said. But I don't see being it as a terrible play. If we're calling (or raising) this bet, why not bet ourselves and find out who has something? Brandon is loose aggro and could be just taking advantage of position and/or testing his opponents. Yes I'd like to see a 7, but I'm not over-discounting a queen as a good card, as we have blockers to the 10.
 
The last mixed game I had was the first and only time Dustin had played any kind of split pot games. Most of the time he only focused on one side of his hand and repeatedly called off his stack drawing to a chop!

SOHE he understood slightly better than Drawmaha and PLO8, but not by much.

Do we really want to fold still with a player like this in the hand still?


Yes, why do we want to be the guy playing for half the pot at best, and possibly being scooped?

There are two players besides us in this hand, and even weak players can get dealt good hands and flops
 
The last mixed game I had was the first and only time Dustin had played any kind of split pot games. Most of the time he only focused on one side of his hand and repeatedly called off his stack drawing to a chop!

SOHE he understood slightly better than Drawmaha and PLO8, but not by much.

Do we really want to fold still with a player like this in the hand still?

Isn't this what we are doing as well here? Not a whole lot of scoop potential in this hand.
I would like to play hands with Dustin for sure, but probably not with a bad draw in Omaha and bottom pair with no potential in he.

(Keep in mind I have never played this game before, lol)
 
Hero knows his pair of 2’s is never good, someone always puts a pocket pair pair in Hold’em. PLO side is a little more tricky....

Hero checks. Brandon bets $25, Dustin calls, blinds fold. Action back to Hero.

Fold, call, or raise?

I've only played one orbit of this game... so I'm just applying standard split-pot logic here:

The case for calling (I don't think a raise is ever appropriate here):
The pair of deuces on the Holdem side is next to nothing... however if a 2 or a 5 hits the turn your HE hand is pretty well disguised against an aggro player who probably hasn't made a hand yet on either side. If a 2 or a 5 hits the turn it could me a virtual freeroll to a scoop - akin to holding the nut low with any OESD in O8.

The case for folding:
You're out of position with a hand that is going to be difficult to scoop at showdown, against a player who's probably going to put you to the test. A turn deuce giving you trips might fill up a player who set their holdem (or Omaha) hand with 99 or JJ - a perfectly reasonable scenario.

The OESD is nice but as others have noted only 4 outs make the nuts. Holding 2 blockers mitigates some of the standard concerns that come with making the 2nd nut straight however at the same time a FD is probably going to be possible after the turn. So the only pure out is the :7h:. Granted the :7s: or :qs: gives you a modest flush redraw but you're still proceeding with caution.

So you're OOP holding a hand that is going to be difficult to extract value from if you do make your hand. I think this is a fold from any position.
 
We are deep stacked. If we turn the nuts in PLO we are able to exert a lot of pressure on Hold’em hands that aren’t nutted. Also since almost nobody puts PP in PLO our set outs are unlikely to run into set over set. Yes we could make a set of 10’s that make someone a straight, but a set of 8’s paired with our 10 blockers to the straight would be very strong. Just some food for thought.
 
Most hands have not made it to showdown so far. The only times that we have had a showdown there have been nutted (or near nutted Hold’em) hands on both sides. Otherwise someone has bet their hand strong enough to get folds from middle of the road 2 way hands.
 
The last mixed game I had was the first and only time Dustin had played any kind of split pot games. Most of the time he only focused on one side of his hand and repeatedly called off his stack drawing to a chop!

SOHE he understood slightly better than Drawmaha and PLO8, but not by much.

Do we really want to fold still with a player like this in the hand still?
Do not fold with Dustin in the hand!!! After all, when you hit, where is he gonna go? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
I call because we are so deepstacked. But I'm folding on the turn unless we catch a 7,10, 2, or 5.
 
This is a hand from my game this past Friday night. We had a few of the players that like more mixed games especially after the last mixed game I had. We even started the night out with 2 rounds of it 4 handed until we filled up.

This hand takes place much later in the night when we’re down to 6 handed and switched the game up to 2 rounds of SOHE and 1 round of PLO.

Notes on relevant players:

Hero ($800 ish stack) is UTG and straddles for $5. I like to do this because most people have been limping unless they have AA or maybe KK to put in Hold’em. So if I wake up with a strong hand I can raise a lot more preflop than if they all limp for $2.

Hero is viewed as an action player, but more conservative than the other action players. Big bets usually mean big hands, but could also mean monster draws too, rarely a pure bluff.

UTG+1 is Brandon. ($1,000 stack) He and Hero have been playing poker together for 15+ years. We would often play heads up PLO after everyone else has left until 6am. We know each other’s game about as well as 2 people can. We ended up playing heads up PLO this night from 3-5am even.

Brandon is super loose preflop and tends to be pretty aggro too. Solid hand and range reading skills, not afraid to get his money in if he think thinks he can get a fold or if the pot is so big he can’t get away from it! He will often play hands blind preflop from outside while smoking.

Button: Dustin. ($1,000 stack) casino PLO player. Loves the action. He has only been playing poker for about 3 years now, the last 2 almost PLO exclusively. His game has come a long way in that time. Very aggressive pre and post flop. Loves putting pressure on when he holds key card blockers to the nuts. Hold’em game is pretty weak from lack of playing it.

So on to the action!

Preflop there is 1 fold and everyone else limps to Hero on the straddle who has :ts::th::8h::8s: in PLO and an absolute monster of :5c::2h: in Hold’em and checks his option.

Flop is :jc::9s::2d: Pot has $25 in it, action checks to Hero. What do we do, check or bet?
Definately a check, fold to a bet.
 
So Hero feels $25 isn’t that big of an investment especially if we can get both players to come along and they are playing for the same 1/2 of the pot.

Hero calls the $25 bet. Pot is now $100.

3 people to the turn which is pretty good for Hero. The :2s: :D

Board is now :jc::9s::2d::2s:

Hero’s hand is :ts::th::8s::8h: for PLO and:5c::2h: in Hold’em.

Action is on Hero. Do we check or bet?
 
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Check and lower the boom when it comes back around to you.


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