johnnycnote
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Yep. Most don't care about timers, cards, tables, shufflers, decor, nice comfy chairs, and (incomprehensible to most of us here) chips
Not really impressed with tournament director software. Any interest in this? (1 Viewer)
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Likewise, I bought my license in 2009 and still using version 2.5 and it's still ticking away just fine. Does anyone know if Corey is planning to release a new version anytime soon? I think 3.7 was released pre-covid and I thought he was working on a major revision (ie 4.0), but haven't heard anything in quite a while. I've been holding off on upgrading for a year or so now.
I looked on his forum and couldn't find anything about a ver. 4. Nothing in the beta forum either.
Thanks, that's a bummer. When I first purchased the software, I believe there was a major release (to 3) within a couple of years, so it's been a long time since there's been a big version upgrade. Considering how far tech has come in that timeframe, I'm really surprised there isn't a new version yet. I guess the "for sure" way to guarantee a new upgrade would be for me to buy a new license for version 3 now lol
quebert
High Hand
Yep. Most don't care about timers, cards, tables, shufflers, decor, nice comfy chairs, and (incomprehensible to most of us here) chips
LOL don't get me started on chips! I was working on designing a set in 2016 and got decently far before I stopped. since I'd forgot about chips, but last week ordered a sample set of the Dia de los Muertos from BR Poker and it restarted my love for them. I need to get back to working on mine for sure.
I was also very interested in a shuffler until I saw the prices. Well 2 had prices, and one "contact for a quote" anything you have to give up your information to get a price on, yeah it's not gonna fit in my budget what so ever lol.
I just came up with the idea to pay an animator to make a video for my timer. I don't plan to change the structures and I guess it is kind of overkill to list the remaining players for what will always be a single table game *doh* Since nothing will change, I just have the 1 video and I can have all the eye candy I know I'll never find in a program. Because poker timers will never be popular enough for any sane programmer to invest the time to make some uber looking one. I'm sure the thought of making potentially hundreds of dollars a year wouldn't be all that motivating. And then I could use something clunky like TD for the backend tracking of tournaments/player/points.
If I actually do that I'll put it on YT and post a link here, with a couple of modifications to the master file it could be changed to fit any tournament. I know I'm in the probably 1% of people who have tourneys who'd even care about such eye candy. But for that 1% something like this would be pretty sick. And best of all it would run on any device that can play video, which is everything out there. Maybe even make it 4k with some Dolby Atmos sound.
I have no data to back up what I'm saying, but I can't imagine the guy who coded TD makes much money off it. How many people/casinos actually need such a complex program to run their tournaments? And for us home people it costs $39 once, if everyone on here bought it that's still peanuts long term. I'd assume TD has to be a side job for him. Even with the $199 a year license for the casinos and card rooms, can't be livable money there. And all the card rooms I've played in I dunno what software they used, but only 1 looked like TD on the screen. So I don't know how modivated he would to work on and release a greatly revamped version 3. And I wouldn't blame him.
And if TD's way bigger than I make it out to be, and he actually makes a living off it my bad
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Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
When you say "eye candy", what exactly are you thinking about? A ticking clock? A buxom model? An ever decreasing bar or circle? Dolby sound for what? A beep? A link to a music program?LOL don't get me started on chips! I was working on designing a set in 2016 and got decently far before I stopped. since I'd forgot about chips, but last week ordered a sample set of the Dia de los Muertos from BR Poker and it restarted my love for them. I need to get back to working on mine for sure.
I was also very interested in a shuffler until I saw the prices. Well 2 had prices, and one "contact for a quote" anything you have to give up your information to get a price on, yeah it's not gonna fit in my budget what so ever lol.
I just came up with the idea to pay an animator to make a video for my timer. I don't plan to change the structures and I guess it is kind of overkill to list the remaining players for what will always be a single table game *doh* Since nothing will change, I just have the 1 video and I can have all the eye candy I know I'll never find in a program. Because poker timers will never be popular enough for any sane programmer to invest the time to make some uber looking one. I'm sure the thought of making potentially hundreds of dollars a year wouldn't be all that motivating. And then I could use something clunky like TD for the backend tracking of tournaments/player/points.
If I actually do that I'll put it on YT and post a link here, with a couple of modifications to the master file it could be changed to fit any tournament. I know I'm in the probably 1% of people who have tourneys who'd even care about such eye candy. But for that 1% something like this would be pretty sick. And best of all it would run on any device that can play video, which is everything out there. Maybe even make it 4k with some Dolby Atmos sound.
I have no data to back up what I'm saying, but I can't imagine the guy who coded TD makes much money off it. How many people/casinos actually need such a complex program to run their tournaments? And for us home people it costs $39 once, if everyone on here bought it that's still peanuts long term. I'd assume TD has to be a side job for him. Even with the $199 a year license for the casinos and card rooms, can't be livable money there. And all the card rooms I've played in I dunno what software they used, but only 1 looked like TD on the screen. So I don't know how modivated he would to work on and release a greatly revamped version 3. And I wouldn't blame him.
And if TD's way bigger than I make it out to be, and he actually makes a living off it my bad
I know my computer has 7.1 Dolby surround and run the timer with a curated Spotify playlist running in the background, but I have never felt the need for a better sound of the beeps (though I would like to be able to change the sounds of the beeps for themed events).
quebert
High Hand
Animated clock
slick lower third transitions for new rounds
unnecessarily fancy animation for the breaks
professional sounding voiceovers for the sounds. As every poker timer I've used has either crummy sounding text to speech if there's words, or basic bleeps and bloops. Surround for no other reason than if you had a surround set up the voiceovers can sweep around the room. Overkill, very much. But wouldn't be much more work over just having a voice actor record a list of phrases. And even for the bleeps and bloops stuff that sounds like it could be FX's from a Speilberg movie.
I'm also envisioning an intro that looks like something from Monday Night Football for when the game's about to start. Which would have a tie in to whatever we decide to name the poker club.
And while I hadn't even thought about it, your buxom model idea's pretty good. I was seeing some CGI animations in my head, but animations mixed with a model announcing the new round + blinds would be pretty damn slick.
Heck even a video I could launch with a click of a button that transitions into a special animation of an epic fight scene for when a bounty happens.
Basically, my goal's to make a single-table garage game feel like a 100 table multiple-week million dollar prize tournament at the Wynn. Everything I want here outside of the timer and blinds displaying on the screen's completely unnecessary and stupid overkill. But at least presentation-wise this would be the home tournament to beat lol.
I know this sounds crazy, but I've seen YT videos of some of the work people have gotten off Fivver (site you pay to have video/audio/images made) for crazy cheap. I think on there I could get all this done and have something 4k pro level for like $300 total. I'm definitely going to put some serious thought into this.
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Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but Norman Chad had a well-known voice in the poker world, and will do readings (for a fairly small fee).
I'd be willing to pay a licensing fee for something like that - especially if it had "ring girls" announcing each level.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
I've tried it (Blind Valet), and I have 2 items that really bug me to the point that I cannot consider purchasing a subscription.
1) I can't see a way to increase the size of the timer and blind levels, and decrease the size of the bottom row. I'd like them to be bigger, and I can't adjust them at all as far as I can see.
2)
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quebert
High Hand
I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but Norman Chad had a well-known voice in the poker world, and will do readings (for a fairly small fee).
I'd be willing to pay a licensing fee for something like that - especially if it had "ring girls" announcing each level.
Now that's a great idea, his dad jokes are super cringy, which make me chuckle. He's the jokester one of the 2 who normally do voice overs right? I don't remember them by name at the moment. Although I don't know how jokes could work as round/blind announcements. Also, hearing the same ones at every weekly game would get old quick. His voice is well known and just simple blind announcements recorded by him would be an awesome touch for sure. And I have to try to SOMEHOW get the legend Doyle Brunson to record even just a single line.
And yes to the ring card girls, should maybe get 2 different females to record the same videos so it's not always the same girl every game.
The more I think about it the more I know this idea's gotta be brought to life. But I need to really flesh out the ideas before I start shopping for creators to make all the elements I think a good base would be to have each round/break broken up into its own video. So you could make a playlist and switch elements or drop in new animation or ring card girl videos in if more ever got made. Heck there are a lot of very pretty ladies online who would probably make videos for this for not a lot of $$$. And timers could be made as overlays and easily added to any video. Only a few would need to be made since rounds are usually 15 or 20 minutes right? Same with blinds, just have the models record 20 short videos or whatever number and it would cover all the possible different rounds/blinds. Then whoever has a game could make a playlist order and BOOM have a game people will talk about.
This is 100% going to get done, heck if OP still finishes his high-tech program up he could include the videos if he wanted to.
Thank you for the ideas Poker Zombie, I'm off to brainstorm on more, if you come up with anything else please let me know
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johnnycnote
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- Yeah, screen re-sizing and choosing what info you want displayed and when on the bottom row would be nice
- Correct about multiple clients sometimes going out of sync. I had two monitors with a Firestick on each, sometimes the info between monitor1, monitor2, and the phone app would have different times. Firesticks were also going to sleep when running the browser and I could never figure out how to keep them running. Solution was to get a chrome box and split the HDMI. Rock solid with the sync and no more timeouts
BV is def not perfect, but it's way better than anything else I've tried
CdnBeerLover
Full House
I generally don't use the timer to track buy-ins/rebuys, so I've never encountered it. I manage that manually.
This works for me. I have several devices during the tournament, and the sync works. Strange..
Yes I agree. I've asked about similar things, and he promised that a proper clock re-design was coming with widgets, you could adjust what was displayed where.. But then covid happened and BV has been on "critical bug fixes only" mode since.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
I'll update my post. I just retried it, and it is now within a second across three devices (1 PC, 2 Android). Close enough that it wouldn't bother me.
You can easily change the sizing. If you can’t figure it out, just post in the help forum of TD.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
My post was with respect to Blind Valet. I've edited my post to make that more clear.
quebert
High Hand
Sorry I hi-jacked this thread with my video idea, didn't mean too. I created a thread for it so if anyone's interested here it is
crazy video blind idea
crazy video blind idea
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wmcstudios
Sitting Out
Hey all I know I e been missing for a while - I believe this might be the year! I made a lot of progress on the design, will be submitting to Library of Congress for a copyright before sharing the UI. I have three developers in my network interested in making it a “hack-a-thon” style project… I’ll have the database columns all set up, the UI elements isolated and the software flowchart set up, and we’re just going to go at it with a 24 hour straight work day to see if we can make it happen fast.
If it works out, I have a hardware partner interested in helping me produce a digital dealer button with an LED display, a cousin who plays WSOP every year who can help me reach out to interested investors, and an expanded model for offering to casino poker rooms.
I haven’t forgotten about y’all. Designs are forthcoming very soon.
If it works out, I have a hardware partner interested in helping me produce a digital dealer button with an LED display, a cousin who plays WSOP every year who can help me reach out to interested investors, and an expanded model for offering to casino poker rooms.
I haven’t forgotten about y’all. Designs are forthcoming very soon.
I’ve been talking to a few people about this and recently went with tournament director for a 100 person mtt I hosted. It worked really well actually. I definitely would consider other options but the basic level of function is pretty high. I’m very interested in what you are doing. TD is great but the setup interface seems overly complicated.
I've worked with data for 20 years, I'd be happy to develop the database schema.
jimmyvulgaer
Sitting Out
hello guys,
i just checked out BV for my little tournament for 9 players.
my tournament is for late reggers as well and there starts my problem with BV.
imagine my tourney starts with 6 people leaving me three open seats for late reggers. why does BV put these 6 players on the seats from 1 to 6?
i would like that BV uses all 9 seats to seat the first six players and leaves open seats inbetween.
but instead the late reggers are seated behind the punctual arrivers and this is way too predictable for my taste
is there a possibility to change it that way using all seats when doing the seating?
i just checked out BV for my little tournament for 9 players.
my tournament is for late reggers as well and there starts my problem with BV.
imagine my tourney starts with 6 people leaving me three open seats for late reggers. why does BV put these 6 players on the seats from 1 to 6?
i would like that BV uses all 9 seats to seat the first six players and leaves open seats inbetween.
but instead the late reggers are seated behind the punctual arrivers and this is way too predictable for my taste
is there a possibility to change it that way using all seats when doing the seating?
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Do you have rules for late players? Like their chips stay in play and are blinded out through the first break, or they are penalized 5% or 10% of their starting stack?
If so, just seat everyone at the start and deal with the late arrivals according to your rules set. No need to late add them in BV.
jimmyvulgaer
Sitting Out
thanks, mate, for your reply.
there are no specific rules for late players. they can join when they want to (within the late registration timeframe of course). there also might be the case that there are no late reggers at all, you know?
if there is a late regger, he will not be punished for regging late. he just get his stack and his seat and jumps in. only disadvantage for late regging is starting with less BB as the blinds already went up obviously due to some levels already played.
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out of curiosity, maybe someone knows: how is WSOP handling late reggers? is there any kind of penalty?
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Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
The WSOP follows TDA rules, which states that all players, including late regs, receive a full stack.
You could also ignore the seating assignments on Blind Valet and just deal cards for seats, with the late seats getting the undrawn cards, and seating them one of the following:
- Worst open seat possible (the next open seat to catch the Big Blind), and they would sit out a hand if they would be seated between the small blind and the button.
- Retain the undealt cards and let them pick as they arrive
- Draw (or have someone else draw) the remaining seats, and write down the order. Then assign those seats in that order as players arrive.
jimmyvulgaer
Sitting Out
thanks for your post, zombie. this is helpful.
(so i assume, blind valet simply does the seating like it does and there are no other options.)
if i would chose option no. 2 and every player picks his own cards after arriving. when do they actually jump into the game? only when they get to the button- or big blind-position?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
They jump into the game and assume the duties of the seat.
Finish the hand in progress. Seat the player. Move the blinds/button. It is important to remember that the Big Blind moves around the table, and the small blind and the button are then placed in their respective locations.
If the player would bet hit with the Big Blind, he is the BB. If he is anywhere from "under the gun" to the "cutoff" he gets to play. If he would get the button, he is considered to be "between the small blind and the button", and would wait one hand. This is so the player that would have been the button still gets a chance to play from the most favored position. The next hand, the BB moves, the SB moves, and the button is placed now to the new players left.
Finish the hand in progress. Seat the player. Move the blinds/button. It is important to remember that the Big Blind moves around the table, and the small blind and the button are then placed in their respective locations.
If the player would bet hit with the Big Blind, he is the BB. If he is anywhere from "under the gun" to the "cutoff" he gets to play. If he would get the button, he is considered to be "between the small blind and the button", and would wait one hand. This is so the player that would have been the button still gets a chance to play from the most favored position. The next hand, the BB moves, the SB moves, and the button is placed now to the new players left.
Mr Winberg
Full House
Lol, I actually had an email conversation with the developer about this a few years ago!
Blindvalet didn't use to do this. Back when it was free I used it to randomize seats for my ~20 player tournaments. Then one poker night, all players were sitting i 'U' formations! I have max 8 per table, so the 18 players were all seated at seats 1-6 on the three tables!
I emailed him, and his reply was that he had received complaints that the blinds got weird if, for example, seats 2, 3, 5 ... got assigned. Like, the button is at 1, but there's nobody there!!
I was like Ffs, just put the button on the lowest taken seat!
He replied along the lines of "Yes I know that, but most of my users don't, and I want to keep it simple for them".
I asked him if, as a compromise, he could have seat 1 fixed and randomize the rest. He said that he would consider it...
In the mean time he gave me this workaround which I've copy-pasted. This was written in 2017, I have no idea if it still works:
Written by Jeff at BlindValet:
In the meantime, there is a workaround to get close to what you are looking for:
If you are expecting 18 players:
1. Create your tournament and register yourself for the tournament.
2. Do the initial seat draw setting "seats to hold" to 17. This will give you the correct # of tables and you will be seated in spot 1/1
3. From the Players tab, click on Action -> Unregister for yourself. If you check the seating screen you will have 3 empty tables.
4. Start registering players for real, they will be randomly placed at tables as if they arrived mid-tournament.
In the meantime, there is a workaround to get close to what you are looking for:
If you are expecting 18 players:
1. Create your tournament and register yourself for the tournament.
2. Do the initial seat draw setting "seats to hold" to 17. This will give you the correct # of tables and you will be seated in spot 1/1
3. From the Players tab, click on Action -> Unregister for yourself. If you check the seating screen you will have 3 empty tables.
4. Start registering players for real, they will be randomly placed at tables as if they arrived mid-tournament.
@wmcstudios Did this get stranded, or still working on it?
Since it seems like designs were close in early 2022.littletuna4
Waiting List
Damn, I only just came across this. Myself and a friend have been working on monsteraa.com and just spent ages to publish a super simple blind timer.
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