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Hero leads out again for 2 BB.
Villain snap min raises to 4 BB.

Hero has 6BB.

Pot is 17 BB.

Action on Hero.
 

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OMC explains hero's line perfectly.

The answer is still hero has to get the money in. Waiting for a better opportunity this short stacked is also a path to defeat.

The only debate is whether or not checking or betting best accomplishes this goal.

But obviously, Hero's strategy is flawed to be at this point.

Changes absolutely nothing from my previous comment. Hero has now missed 3 chances to get it in and is ridiculously pot stuck and can't see it.

(Hero has played this so poorly I find myself hoping hero suffered some horrifying one outer at this point.)
 

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Changes absolutely nothing from my previous comment. Hero has now missed 3 chances to get it in and is ridiculously pot stuck and can't see it.

(Hero has played this so poorly I find myself hoping hero suffered some horrifying one outer at this point.)
Hey, hero is my 7 year old daughter who is still learning :) Be nice :)
 

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As a lot have said, being that short stacked it should've been all in pre. But interested to see how it plays out.
Though when Im short stacked (unless I have a very premium hand), I don't like to shove over the top of someone's open. I'd rather be there first one getting chips in.

Dumb question - what does OMC mean when referring to the player?
 

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As a lot have said, bring that short stacked it should've been all in pre. But interested to see how it plays out.
Though when Im short stacked (unless I have a very premium hand), I don't like to shove over the top of someone's open. I'd rather be there first one getting chips in.

Dumb question - what does OMC mean when referring to the player?
Old Man Coffee. The guy who brings only one buy in to the casino and only opens with super premium hands, sees monsters on every flop.
 

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You knew there had to be some kind of twist here...

But, playing it straight, without knowing Hero is 7 years old...

So now there are, what, 17BB in the pot, and you have to call 2... which would leave you 4 behind? Or shove 6 into 17? Villain would then have to call 4 to win 23, so s/he’s calling no matter what.

Both have played it like they’re either scared, or else slow-playing a monster, trying to get each other’s stack in dribs and drabs.

I see no reason to just call—get it in now.

Sure, on a scary river Hero could fold... Leaving 4BB to work with at a 6-handed table. No fold equity on future hands when Hero shoves. Going to have to call on next BB almost regardless of holdings.
 
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Can't get away with just 6 BB left even if you wanted to, back over the top all in.
 

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Hey, hero is my 7 year old daughter who is still learning :) Be nice :)
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Hero leads out again for 2 BB.
Villain snap min raises to 4 BB.

Hero has 6BB.

Pot is 17 BB.

Action on Hero.
Now that we have more info on the villain, I would raise to 5BB. Will villain even know it’s illegal? If villain complains, she won’t get any chocolate sauce on her ice cream, unlike all the other villains who appreciate what hero does for this family.
 

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HERO freaks out and yells "DAD, WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?"

DAD says "One player to a hand."

"HE RAISED ME AND IF I CALL ITS BASICALLY ALL MY CHIPS AND I HAVE A GREAT HAND."

"Sounds like you need to go all in then. Its bedtime anyway. Double up or go to bed."

HERO shoves remaining few bigs.

Villian flips KK.

HERO misses the two outer on the river.

"ITS ALL YOUR FAULT I BUSTED DAD. YOU'RE A TERRIBLE POKER PLAYER."

HERO stomps up to bed.

DAD posts hand to PCF to get advice that shows that no matter how you play it (other than perhaps small 3_betting pre flop and getting 4 bet, potentially having a chance to fold) you weren't going to get away from this one. DAD hopes multiple people will post something in that vein.
 

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I'm not personally in this hand. Beaker, villian is DH on my Mavens site, for context.
Then I misread that. He’s the hyper-aggro guy, right? I was frustrated that I had no cards to push back against hiM last night.
 

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HERO freaks out and yells "DAD, WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?"

DAD says "One player to a hand."

"HE RAISED ME AND IF I CALL ITS BASICALLY ALL MY CHIPS AND I HAVE A GREAT HAND."

"Sounds like you need to go all in then. Its bedtime anyway. Double up or go to bed."

HERO shoves remaining few bigs.

Villian flips KK.

HERO misses the two outer on the river.

"ITS ALL YOUR FAULT I BUSTED DAD. YOU'RE A TERRIBLE POKER PLAYER."

HERO stomps up to bed.

DAD posts hand to PCF to get advice that shows that no matter how you play it (other than perhaps small 3_betting pre flop and getting 4 bet, potentially having a chance to fold) you weren't going to get away from this one. DAD hopes multiple people will post something in that vein.
As hero stomps up the stairs, dad yells “YOU’RE THE ONE WHO CALLED WITH THE LOSING HAND!
 

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Well important lesson here that I think a lot of tournament players misunderstand.

Players throw around "wait for a better spot" to easily. Too careful in this regard leads players to bleed themselves ridiculously short where a double up doesn't even help. I would rather go for it with a hand like this, risk busting, than fall under 10 BB in two orbits where the K8s of the world start to look good.
 
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