How often do you go all-in during NLHE cash games (2 Viewers)

[upNdown]

You guys make jamming sound like having sex for the first time. If you're not getting your chips in throughout multiple sessions, you're almost invariably doing something wrong. Having the nuts, bluffing, trying to get value on a draw, all reasons to jam. So is boredom in lower stakes games, lol.

Cliffs: Lighten up, Francis.

This is a really valid point. When I try to think about how often I was all-in in any particular cash session, its difficult to come up with an answer, because it's not a noteworthy big deal. It's just part of the game; it's just another move; it's something that sometimes happens without a lot of thought because it's a natural reaction to the circumstance.
This is not to say it's not a valid question. If you haven't gone all-in in 25 hours of play, something is fundamentally wrong.

 

[fish72s]

One of these days I will go all in, I promise.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I suspect thread was created by Russian operatives trying to influence our poker. #FAKENEWS

I am going to check with the failing Bluff Magazine to see what they say about this.

I am not the fake news here, that clearly is you.

You must be a deep cover Russian agitator working with the unscrupulous Trump administration to disrupt the last bastion of sanity American's have!

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

This is a really valid point. When I try to think about how often I was all-in in any particular cash session, its difficult to come up with an answer, because it's not a noteworthy big deal. It's just part of the game; it's just another move; it's something that sometimes happens without a lot of thought because it's a natural reaction to the circumstance.
This is not to say it's not a valid question. If you haven't gone all-in in 25 hours of play, something is fundamentally wrong.

I don't really disagree that I should be doing something different. At the very least I should have the move as another tool. I just have a hard time finding spots where it makes sense to shove.

When I have the nuts I usually bet the pot and often times do not get called, it typically takes only about a third pot bet to scare most other players that I play with off a pot, and the numbers never made sense to go all in when drawing because the pots are never that big.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

One of these days I will go all in, I promise.

Promises, promises.

Less talk More action!

 

[bergs]

I am not the fake news here, that clearly is you.

You must be a deep cover Russian agitator working with the unscrupulous Trump administration to disrupt the last bastion of sanity American's have!

WRONG! NO PUPPET! No puppet.

I am a reckless American who jams with impunity at the faintest whiff of weakness from my opponents. You are the very bastion of timidity.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

WRONG! NO PUPPET! No puppet.

I am a reckless American who jams with impunity at the faintest whiff of weakness from my opponents. You are the very bastion of timidity.

HA!

That's exactly what I would expect you to say. Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations.

Besides if one obtains reward without aggression, why be aggressive. You really are starting to look like one of them. Russians love aggression for aggressions sake.

 

[detroitdad]

I try not to play NLHE. When I do its usually in a tourney. In Saturdays Tourney @Jeff meet up I was all in about 10 times. I won two of them.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I try not to play NLHE. When I do its usually in a tourney. In Saturdays Tourney @Jeff meet up I was all in about 10 times. I won two of them.

What do you play for cash games? Assuming you play cash games. I don't not care for tournaments. I have played a few online, but none in person.

That is an interesting idea, maybe I should learn to play a limit game since I am doing well without going all-in?

 

[detroitdad]

What do you play for cash games? Assuming you play cash games. I don't not care for tournaments. I have played a few online, but none in person.

That is an interesting idea, maybe I should learn to play a limit game since I am doing well without going all-in?

I almost exclusively play cash. We primarily play PLO/PLO8, ect....

We do play a few orbits of NLHE a session. About all I can handle. My sample size is pretty small. I don't mind throwing chips in the middle if it suits my end results.

 

[Kain8]

I agree. I'd love get my whole stack in during nut hands, I just do see the opportunity to do so and would love to know how to create that opportunity.

Unless you have several players at your table who don't pay attention at all to what anyone is doing, you can't shove only with near nut hands. A concept that you may or may not be aware is called Stack-to-Pot ratio, or SPR for short. SPR basically dictates that the more money that is in the middle already, the more inclined you should be to be going all-in if you're considering to make a bet.

Example:

You raise to 6 big blinds with on the button after 2 players limp. Both the blinds and both limpers call. The pot has 30bb in it now. Everyone's remaining stack has 34bb.

Flop comes .


The action checks to you.


This is a clear cut all-in bet for you. The SPR in this case is 34bb / 30bb or 1.13. There's way to more gain from winning the money in the middle that's out there already if everyone folds rather than betting 6 - 10 big blinds and having people call with decent to great pot odds.



Now, if in the example everyone has 100bb like you say everyone buys in for, that's when poker can begin to be played. Meaning, the deeper the stacks get, the higher the SPR gets on most hands. So if you have the same hand as above, you just don't jam 94bb into a 30bb pot. This is something that becomes second nature after awhile, tracking the pot relative to your stack. When the pot starts to get close to or is equal to your stack, bring out the big guns if you have a hand worth betting.

 

[upNdown]

What do you play for cash games? Assuming you play cash games. I don't not care for tournaments. I have played a few online, but none in person.

That is an interesting idea, maybe I should learn to play a limit game since I am doing well without going all-in?

Maybe you should be playing live tournaments (online tournaments for play money are dumb.)
To me, tournament play is all about stack management. Steal chips when you can do so without risking too many, stay out of big pots and fold your way out of them when necessary, only put a lot of chips in the middle when you KNOW they're coming back to you.
As a result, in tournament play, I find myself all-in FAR less, unless I'm a huge stack or short stacked. Maybe that style of play suits you.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Unless you have several players at your table who don't pay attention at all to what anyone is doing, you can't shove only with near nut hands. A concept that you may or may not be aware is called Stack-to-Pot ratio, or SPR for short. SPR basically dictates that the more money that is in the middle already, the more inclined you should be to be going all-in if you're considering to make a bet.

Example:

You raise to 6 big blinds with on the button after 2 players limp. Both the blinds and both limpers call. The pot has 30bb in it now. Everyone's remaining stack has 34bb.

Flop comes .


The action checks to you.


This is a clear cut all-in bet for you. The SPR in this case is 34bb / 30bb or 1.13. There's way to more gain from winning the money in the middle that's out there already if everyone folds rather than betting 6 - 10 big blinds and having people call with decent to great pot odds.



Now, if in the example everyone has 100bb like you say everyone buys in for, that's when poker can begin to be played. Meaning, the deeper the stacks get, the higher the SPR gets on most hands. So if you have the same hand as above, you just don't jam 94bb into a 30bb pot. This is something that becomes second nature after awhile, tracking the pot relative to your stack. When the pot starts to get close to or is equal to your stack, bring out the big guns if you have a hand worth betting.

I understand the concept, although I didn't think it had a name. If I could get into such a situation I could see going all in. Usually my stack is larger then most other players within a few orbits, mainly cause I'm playing with people who don't study poker. So my stack is usually so much larger than the pot or the stacks likely to follow me all in.

I was stopped by a co-worker who has played with us before and she said that her and her husband have been learning more about how to play... So we will see what happens this weekend.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Maybe you should be playing live tournaments (online tournaments for play money are dumb.)
To me, tournament play is all about stack management. Steal chips when you can do so without risking too many, stay out of big pots and fold your way out of them when necessary, only put a lot of chips in the middle when you KNOW they're coming back to you.
As a result, in tournament play, I find myself all-in FAR less, unless I'm a huge stack or short stacked. Maybe that style of play suits you.

You might be right. Your description is very close to how I play, stealing chips when I can with marginal cards(a lot lately cause I can limp in so cheaply, that will change if anyone starts betting preflop) and folding if challanged or if I haven't made a big enough hand to justify the pot size. Then betting the pot or over betting the pot when I have the a decent or better or think I can run people off the pot.

 

[MatB]

WRONG! NO PUPPET! No puppet.

I am a reckless American who jams with impunity at the faintest whiff of weakness from my opponents. You are the very bastion of timidity.

I have witnessed this^.

I have also pee'd my pants. just a little, so people think i am weak. They jam. I call. I win.

They fall for the "weakness" trap all the time.

 

[MatB]

I have found that over about 25 hours of cash NLHE I don't think I've gone all in once. I am up about 500 big blinds during that time. I realize that this is an incrediblily to small sample size, but it's the only cash experience I have.

I have made numerous overbets, especially on the river when I assumed I had the nuts, but did not think I would get called if I went all in.

The reason that I ask is that I have been watching a lot of straegy videos, especially by Alec Torelli and Jonathon Little and they both seem to work from a perspective of going all in on a regular basis.

Appreciate any input or questions.

Going all-in is a valuable tool, even if you have someone covered 2x, verbally saying "all-in" can have a better effect.

And when you do change up your game and start going all-in, please don't be the guy that says... "i'll put you all in".. i freakin hate that. Typically i'll just look at them until they have made a bet.

 

[upNdown]

Going all-in is a valuable tool, even if you have someone covered 2x, verbally saying "all-in" can have a better effect.

And when you do change up your game and start going all-in, please don't be the guy that says... "i'll put you all in".. i freakin hate that. Typically i'll just look at them until they have made a bet.

Should he say "I'm gonna tap you" or whatever that old timey saying is?

 

[MatB]

Should he say "I'm gonna tap you" or whatever that old timey saying is?

LOL..i dont know.


But saying..."i'll put you all in" will tilt me for sure.

 

[bergs]

LOL..i dont know.


But saying..."i'll put you all in" will tilt me for sure.

Good to know (rubs hands together with glee).....good to know.

 

[bergs]

I have witnessed this^.

I have also pee'd my pants. just a little, so people think i am weak. They jam. I call. I win.

They fall for the "weakness" trap all the time.

Bladder tell is so 2001. Everyone has that move now.

 

[MatB]

Bladder tell is so 2001. Everyone has that move now.

whats weird is, i find that move easier to make the more Trillium i drink.. strange.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Maybe you should be playing live tournaments (online tournaments for play money are dumb.)
To me, tournament play is all about stack management. Steal chips when you can do so without risking too many, stay out of big pots and fold your way out of them when necessary, only put a lot of chips in the middle when you KNOW they're coming back to you.
As a result, in tournament play, I find myself all-in FAR less, unless I'm a huge stack or short stacked. Maybe that style of play suits you.

You might be right. Your description is very close to how I play, stealing chips when I can with marigenal cards(a lot lately) and folding if challanged or if I have made a big enough hand to justify the

Going all-in is a valuable tool, even if you have someone covered 2x, verbally saying "all-in" can have a better effect.

And when you do change up your game and start going all-in, please don't be the guy that says... "i'll put you all in".. i freakin hate that. Typically i'll just look at them until they have made a bet.

I will certainly try that. I want to learn and know that playing for stacks effectively is one area that I am not getting much practice.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Good to know (rubs hands together with glee).....good to know.

I'm with you on this one... Purposely putting someone on tilt is great fun... And profitable.

 

[MatB]

You might be right. Your description is very close to how I play, stealing chips when I can with marigenal cards(a lot lately) and folding if challanged or if I have made a big enough hand to justify the


I will certainly try that. I want to learn and know that playing for stacks effectively is one area that I am not getting much practice.

But here's the thing....... If you like your own style of play, and what you're doing works (i.e profitable) then why change?

You can define your own style of play that does not conform to "what you should do".

I've never read a poker book in my life. I'm a terrible player. I enjoy what i'm doing. And its working out "ok".

 

[manamongkids]

But here's the thing....... If you like your own style of play, and what you're doing works (i.e profitable) then why change?

You can define your own style of play that does not conform to "what you should do".

I've never read a poker book in my life. I'm a terrible player. I enjoy what i'm doing. And its working out "ok".

he also goes all in at least once every orbit

 

[bergs]

I'm with you on this one... Purposely putting someone on tilt is great fun... And profitable.

You need practice. Let's give me AKs and give you 32o shove $20 buyins at each other until someone has all the chips. Practice, makes perfect.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Generally speaking, we have very few three bets preflop, and they are usually only about 5 or 6 big blinds...

Then you are in a VERY passive game, and it is NOT giving you good experience with which to gain skill for playing in casinos and card rooms. (And it's no surprise that there are few all-ins.)

If you want to improve the quality of play in your game, it's probably best if at least two of you - you and another player - both decide to start playing more aggressively. If one person starts playing better, they can look like a maniac, but if a couple do so - and talk about actively wanting to improve the game play by being more properly aggressive - then it tends to change the feel and play of the game.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Question, to see whether your players understand some elements:

Pot starts with two BB (you're playing a game with one BB in the Small and the Big.)

Let's say four people limp in. Then someone raises to make the bet 4 BB.

Next person wants to 3-bet, putting in a half-pot raise. How much should they put up?

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

You need practice. Let's give me AKs and give you 32o shove $20 buyins at each other until someone has all the chips. Practice, makes perfect.

I feel like I should have the AK and you should have 32o. I learn better through positive reinforcement and it'll help me build my bankroll. Two for one!

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Then you are in a VERY passive game, and it is NOT giving you good experience with which to gain skill for playing in casinos and card rooms. (And it's no surprise that there are few all-ins.)

If you want to improve the quality of play in your game, it's probably best if at least two of you - you and another player - both decide to start playing more aggressively. If one person starts playing better, they can look like a maniac, but if a couple do so - and talk about actively wanting to improve the game play by being more properly aggressive - then it tends to change the feel and play of the game.

The hope is that a couple are going to start playing more aggressively. The game is very passive, and although I don't think I am making mistakes that would cost me chips at a casino because I know I would need to tighten up, I am getting away with far more steals then I would if other consistently played back at me.