How often do you go all-in during NLHE cash games (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I have found that over about 25 hours of cash NLHE I don't think I've gone all in once. I am up about 500 big blinds during that time. I realize that this is an incrediblily to small sample size, but it's the only cash experience I have.

I have made numerous overbets, especially on the river when I assumed I had the nuts, but did not think I would get called if I went all in.

The reason that I ask is that I have been watching a lot of straegy videos, especially by Alec Torelli and Jonathon Little and they both seem to work from a perspective of going all in on a regular basis.

Appreciate any input or questions.

 

[upNdown]

I have been watching a lot of straegy videos, especially by Alec Torelli

Does he also tell you to hide your biggest chips when you go all in?

 

[Perthmike]

I find myself all in fairly regularly to be honest. I try not to play many hands but when I do get a big one I'll try to get max value out of it.

I played 3 and half hours last night and pushed all in twice. Admittedly I cashed out profit and rebought in for the original $200 before I went all in the second time, so I wasn't risking a huge stack.

1st one 8 raised $15 utg with kk, got re raised to $45 and then pushed all in. He called with aq.

Later I raised pre flop with ak, loose drunk kept raising into me after I hit my ace. He bet $70 on the turn so I pushed all in for $125.

I expect for every 2-3 hour session I may be all in at least once. I may be wrong but that's what my memory is telling me.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Does he also tell you to hide your biggest chips when you go all in?

Not sure what you are alluding to.

 

[Perthmike]

Not sure what you are alluding to.

Torelli got caught angle shooting.

 

[Perthmike]

This photo sums it up.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I find myself all in fairly regularly to be honest. I try not to play many hands but when I do get a big one I'll try to get max value out of it.

I played 3 and half hours last night and pushed all in twice. Admittedly I cashed out profit and rebought in for the original $200 before I went all in the second time, so I wasn't risking a huge stack.

1st one 8 raised $15 utg with kk, got re raised to $45 and then pushed all in. He called with aq.

Later I raised pre flop with ak, loose drunk kept raising into me after I hit my ace. He bet $70 on the turn so I pushed all in for $125.

I expect for every 2-3 hour session I may be all in at least once. I may be wrong but that's what my memory is telling me.

This is 1/2 NLHE?

I think the difference is that flop and preflop bets are smaller, lots of people limp. So the pot isn't big enough to justify a shove, odds wise?

 

[Perthmike]

1/3. The tables at my local casino aren't particularly limpy, i find that a lot of pre-flop bets get into the $20-$40 range. By the time you get to the river, most of a stack can get in the pot against certain players.

I'm not saying it's necessarily always my preference, but there are a lot of gamblers at the tables so it happens often.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I think this would really depend on how large the stack sizes are and what the opponents style of play is.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

This photo sums it up.
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Dang, I don't know about that. That's pretty crappy even if it wasn't intentional. I have a hard believing that it was an unintentional.

Do you have an opinion of him outside of this?

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

1/3. The tables at my local casino aren't particularly limpy, i find that a lot of pre-flop bets get into the $20-$40 range. By the time you get to the river, most of a stack can get in the pot against certain players.

I'm not saying it's necessarily always my preference, but there are a lot of gamblers at the tables so it happens often.

I'm play .05/.05 home game with friends, but I hope to play in card rooms in Jacksonville at some point soon.

Generally speaking, we have very few three bets preflop, and they are usually only about 5 or 6 big blinds, although I heard/read something the other day and said your re-raise should be a little less than twice the initial raise, and very few times they are that large.

I think that the biggest pot we have had was about 70 big blinds after the river bets with players heads up after the flop.

I usually bet about half the pot until the river, them either the pot or slightly more at the river.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I think this would really depend on how large the stack sizes are and what the opponents style of play is.

Starting stacks are 100 big blinds, people never by in for more than that and most people play nearly every hand until folding to a bet on either the flop or turn. That being said, I regularly end up at a showdown with an opponent with a pair and I've got a straight or flush and feel like I am getting paid the most I can without running them out of the pot.

 

[upNdown]

It sounds like you're playing a very soft microstakes home game.
Of course you want to play good poker, but not all the advice from the pros will be applicable to that game.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

It sounds like you're playing a very soft microstakes home game.
Of course you want to play good poker, but not all the advice from the pros will be applicable to that game.

That's true.

I guess my concern is that if I learn to play against soft players without also learning things commonly seen at "real stakes", I won't have the skill practice to play well at 1/2 NLHE at some point in the future.

Still hoping to attack some others to my game who know more than the basics of poker.

 

[Psypher1000]

Still hoping to attack some others

Maybe don't attack them. Seems more hospitable/inviting that way. YMMV.

I won't have the skill practice to play well at 1/2 NLHE (at Jacksonville)...

Chances are you're skilled enough to play there right now. When it comes to casino 1/2 or 1/3, "tight is right" applies more often than not. It's more about discipline than skill, IMO, because many casino players at those stakes are more about the gambol than the game. Don't succumb to the posturing & shove-fests. Wait for your spots & capitalize on them.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

Maybe don't attack them. Seems more hospitable/inviting that way. YMMV.


Chances are you're skilled enough to play there right now. When it comes to casino 1/2 or 1/3, "tight is right" applies more often than not. It's more about discipline than skill, IMO, because many casino players at those stakes are more about the gambol than

LOL! I should proof read more carefully.

Maybe you are right. Might try some bigger raises or re-raise preflop when I have good hands and try to purposefully get the entire stack in.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

This photo sums it up.
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My other reply may have sounded like I was picking a fight, which I was not. I was wonder if you though he had worthwhile insight for playing better poker.

I am always looking for people who play good poker to follow. I like torrilli because of his hand of the day reviews ( and others) and he is easy to follow. Same with Jonathon Little. I was also watch some of Daniel Negraneu, but find the he talks a lot about things other than poker that I have minimal interest in.


My apologies if that sounded the other way.

 

[stepup]

I rarely go all in when playing cash. I will do it if the pot size to my stack makes sense or if the betting takes it there but I try to size my bets to either be called or to be folded. That rarely leaves a place for me to just shove all in unless it is on a large pot at the river and I have close to the nuts or feel I am way ahead.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I rarely go all in when playing cash. I will do it if the pot size to my stack makes sense or if the betting takes it there but I try to size my bets to either be called or to be folded. That rarely leaves a place for me to just shove all in unless it is on a large pot at the river and I have close to the nuts or feel I am way ahead.

I suppose that is were I am at. I have no problem going all in, but the pot needs to be worth it.

What stakes do you typically play?

 

[bergs]

You guys make jamming sound like having sex for the first time. If you're not getting your chips in throughout multiple sessions, you're almost invariably doing something wrong. Having the nuts, bluffing, trying to get value on a draw, all reasons to jam. So is boredom in lower stakes games, lol.

Cliffs: Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Trihonda]

Dang, I don't know about that. That's pretty crappy even if it wasn't intentional. I have a hard believing that it was an unintentional.

Do you have an opinion of him outside of this?

The video was impressively clear, and Doug Polk did a great video commentary on it in one of his blogs. Pretty much excoriated torelli.

 

[stepup]

You guys make jamming sound like having sex for the first time. If you're not getting your chips in throughout multiple sessions, you're almost invariably doing something wrong. Having the nuts, bluffing, trying to get value on a draw, all reasons to jam. So is boredom in lower stakes games, lol.

Cliffs: Lighten up, Francis.

I don't necessarily see it as a common occurrence. Now does it happen yes but not every session. Or every other for that matter. Maybe I am doing it wrong but it's just hard to get 250 into a pot in a 1/2 game or 150 into a pot in a .50/1 game. Does it happen yeah but it's not every day. I would rather have the nuts and bet to get 3 streets of value than to make it my sole purpose to get 150 bucks into a 60 dollar pot. I understand what your trying to say but if you buy in at the max or at 100 BB it isn't just super easy to get your stack in. Does it happen yes I just haven't figured out how to get it in every session or every other for that matter. Please tell me what to do different. I say that with the utmost sincerity. I try to learn every day and I will take any tips I can get.

 

[stepup]

I suppose that is were I am at. I have no problem going all in, but the pot needs to be worth it.

What stakes do you typically play?

I play a pretty fishy .50/1.00 game and a couple of 1/2-2/5 home games. I rarely play at a casino as the closest one is 3 hours from home. The 2/5 game plays closer to a 5/10 game. Everyone buys in for a minimum of 300 and it usually has around 5k in play. I am not a pro by any means but I am a winning player at the games I play in otherwise I would not be playing. I am not there to gamble.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

The video was impressively clear, and Doug Polk did a great video commentary on it in one of his blogs. Pretty much excoriated torelli.

The video popped up in my YouTube feed, gonna have to check it out.

 

[DrStrange]

If you are playing in a 100bb to 150bb game and you don't find yourself all-in (or putting someone all-in) several times a session I think there is a problem.

Maybe the game selection is the issue. Could be the players are "once and done" tournament players who make micro bets and avoid major conflicts in cash games. Could be the stakes are too high. Could be a rock garden at a casino venue. What ever the situation - if no one is putting their rather modest stacks at risk, then the problem is likely the game. Same thing if the game is played mainly heads up, or blind vs blind, or if stealing the blinds is a matter of concern.

Maybe Hero is the problem. If the other players are often playing for stacks but Hero rarely does, then that might be a clue where the problem lies. You get stacks in play by betting and raising rather than calling / limping / checking / folding. Also betting/raising bigger rather than smaller.

I hosted a $1/$1 last night and observed how things went. We had 14 players buying in for $50 to $100, mostly $100 buy-ins. Over the night we had 16 rebuys. The average player was all-in two to three times, with several all-in over six times. I personally was all-in four times, wining three times and losing once. Things might be different if the game was played 1,000bb deep or if it were played 40bb deep.

The original poster has his finger on a problem. The game or the player is too passive / tight. This merits further attention. Please report back and let us know what you find.

DrStrange

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

I don't necessarily see it as a common occurrence. Now does it happen yes but not every session. Or every other for that matter. Maybe I am doing it wrong but it's just hard to get 250 into a pot in a 1/2 game or 150 into a pot in a .50/1 game. Does it happen yeah but it's not every day. I would rather have the nuts and bet to get 3 streets of value than to make it my sole purpose to get 150 bucks into a 60 dollar pot. I understand what your trying to say but if you buy in at the max or at 100 BB it isn't just super easy to get your stack in. Does it happen yes I just haven't figured out how to get it in every session or every other for that matter. Please tell me what to do different. I say that with the utmost sincerity. I try to learn every day and I will take any tips I can get.

I agree. I'd love get my whole stack in during nut hands, I just do see the opportunity to do so and would love to know how to create that opportunity.

 

[Mr.Gamakatsu]

If you are playing in a 100bb to 150bb game and you don't find yourself all-in (or putting someone all-in) several times a session I think there is a problem.

Maybe the game selection is the issue. Could be the players are "once and done" tournament players who make micro bets and avoid major conflicts in cash games. Could be the stakes are too high. Could be a rock garden at a casino venue. What ever the situation - if no one is putting their rather modest stacks at risk, then the problem is likely the game. Same thing if the game is played mainly heads up, or blind vs blind, or if stealing the blinds is a matter of concern.

Maybe Hero is the problem. If the other players are often playing for stacks but Hero rarely does, then that might be a clue where the problem lies. You get stacks in play by betting and raising rather than calling / limping / checking / folding. Also betting/raising bigger rather than smaller.

I hosted a $1/$1 last night and observed how things went. We had 14 players buying in for $50 to $100, mostly $100 buy-ins. Over the night we had 16 rebuys. The average player was all-in two to three times, with several all-in over six times. I personally was all-in four times, wining three times and losing once. Things might be different if the game was played 1,000bb deep or if it were played 40bb deep.

The original poster has his finger on a problem. The game or the player is too passive / tight. This merits further attention. Please report back and let us know what you find.

DrStrange

The only time anyone has gone all in during the games I have played is when they have been loosing and are down to their last 10 big blinds or so and basically run run out of chips during a normally valued hand.

I will try raising more in the next game to see if I get large enough pots to justify going all in. My worry is that I will get more folds, which is still a win.

 

[stepup]

I played in the fishy game I mentioned yesterday and there was only 1 meaning full all in and the other player folded. It isn't a very tight game but it is hard to get a call on a 12 dollar bet. You can bet 9 though and get 4 callers with tags. It's a crazy game but I am usually up when I leave.

 

[bergs]

I played in the fishy game I mentioned yesterday and there was only 1 meaning full all in and the other player folded. It isn't a very tight game but it is hard to get a call on a 12 dollar bet. You can bet 9 though and get 4 callers with tags. It's a crazy game but I am usually up when I leave.

This is a 1/2 game where $12 raises pre fold everyone out but $9 pre gets callers?

Where is this game? Is it on Earth?

 

[bergs]

I suspect thread was created by Russian operatives trying to influence our poker. #FAKENEWS

I am going to check with the failing Bluff Magazine to see what they say about this.