Tourney Has the t2,000 chip fallen out of favor? (3 Viewers)

[Jambine]

Fast-forward to today and I don't really see the T2,000 in custom sets anymore. Was it one of those, "yea, I needed it to satisfy my OCD, but it was a hassle on the table so I've moved on" type of deals? Or are they still popular with a certain crowd and just not being made in any sets of late?

I have a non-denom set for tourney & micro. I tried to use the big chip as T-2,000 for while, and it was an utter failure. I even tried T-2,500 and that was worse (like "end of the world" worse).

 

[TexRex]

The claim a T2000 is more "efficient" because a bet can be made with a single chip is practically ridiculous. The effort used to toss 2 10g chips is the unmeasurably different from the effort to toss a single 10g chip. If you were using 20 lb weight plates for chips, would agree that efficiency matters. For 10g chips, it does not.

Zombie, I'm disappointed you would suggest using cheap 20 lb chips when we all know that official casino weight chips are actually a full 10kg!

 

[Schmendr1ck]

In this case, I'd like to see empirical data that indicates that bets like 19, 187, etc. ever even occur. I may be a simple tournament player, but in my observation (no data collected) 19 would rarely be used in a T1 tournament - the bettor would just bet 20. 187 - I guess this would also be a T1, and would rarely be anything less than a shove.

The claim a T2000 is more "efficient" because a bet can be made with a single chip is practically ridiculous. The effort used to toss 2 10g chips is the unmeasurably different from the effort to toss a single 10g chip. If you were using 20 lb weight plates for chips, would agree that efficiency matters. For 10g chips, it does not.

I'm not arguing frequencies of various bet sizes, calories expended by tossing various weights of chips into the pot, or anything else. I'm just providing my definition of "chip efficiency" and then providing some totally-made-up-off-the-top-of-my-head examples showing that, by my definition, 10:1 denoms are less efficient than 4:1 or 5:1.

What practical effect on the game does this have? Dunno.

 

[Frank]

Efficiency for me is: "how can I minimize the amount of chips I need to buy from CPC". I always like a set to be flexible for various situations, so I don't know which chip I'd go with....maybe I need both .

If anyone finds that betting with multiple chips requires too much effort your oversized clay chips must be killing you! I could take them off your hands...probably worth less than $1/chip given this new discovery

 

[T_Chan]

I really like the idea of a $2k chip. I played with it at the Colorado meetup a couple of years ago and liked it. I think once players gets used to it, it's much more efficient where each denom is 4-5x the previous one. I've always disliked the fact that the 500's are kinda useless with a $1k chip in play.

Non traditional chip denoms can make for interesting games, right @Mesnik44 ?

 

[Mesnik44]

@T_Chan You called it! That one day will live on forever!

 

[JustinInMN]

I've never played with a T2000 chip, but I like the idea. I also play 8/16 limit regularly so I think considering 2 a base unit is less of an issue for me. (just to tilt everyone, the 2 chips are coincidentally yellow)

 

[TheFlyingDrunkman]

I have a non-denom set for tourney & micro. I tried to use the big chip as T-2,000 for while, and it was an utter failure. I even tried T-2,500 and that was worse (like "end of the world" worse).

What 'failed'?

It seems to me if you used 100/500/2500/10,000 (if needed) everything would work nicely, but I have only played in a couple of home tournaments and it's been a while.

 

[tabletalker7]

What 'failed'?

It seems to me if you used 100/500/2500/10,000 (if needed) everything would work nicely, but I have only played in a couple of home tournaments and it's been a while.

1. Nobody is used to having a 2000 chip.
2. It makes a blind schedule more difficult because the 1000 chip is easier to prepare for.
3. It forces you to move the color up of the 500 chip.
4. Moving that color up causes you to move a scheduled break.

I have run a tournament with a t2000 chip twice. Never again. Nobody likes it. It was terrible.

 

[AlbinoDragon]

What 'failed'?

It seems to me if you used 100/500/2500/10,000 (if needed) everything would work nicely, but I have only played in a couple of home tournaments and it's been a while.

You do realize you just bumped a thread that hasn't seen activity in six years asking a question of a user that hasn't logged in nearly a year??

 

[Poker Zombie]

You do realize you just bumped a thread that hasn't seen activity in six years asking a question of a user that hasn't logged in nearly a year??

Funny, but still, the information is as relevant today as it was 6 years ago.

 

[allforcharity]

I'll be making some T2000 chips very soon, so I say they are still useful.

 

[TheFlyingDrunkman]

My apologies if I didn't follow proper etiquette, @AlbinoDragon. I'm new to forum posting. I have seen people make suggestions to search for existing topics before asking the same question though, which is why I posted here.

So, based on what @tabletalker7 said about chipping up being a challenge with a 2k chip instead of a 1k chip, wouldn't that mean the same challenges exist with other starting chips?

Using the layout from an earlier post, the typical jumps are:
.25 - 1 - 5 - 25 - 100 - 500 - 1000 - 5000 - 25000 - 100000 - 500000 which is
Base - 4X, 5X, 4x, 4x, 5x, 2x, 5x, 5x, 4x

So would that mean that the real answer to this question is that at a broad level, a 2X chip jump as your 3rd chip instead of a 4 or 5X to make chipping up, breaks, and other things easier? I'm guessing this would be dependent on your blind structure, timing, starting stacks, etc, but this sounds like it might be the reason why others have posted about the T100 base gaining popularity given that the only 2X jump in the 'standard' chip structure is the 500/100 level.

And if that's the case, what is it that drives some people to the 2k chip, or dare I say, a 2500 chip? Is it because what you are really looking for is a chip structure that matches your tournament (blinds, breaks, starting stacks, and chip up) structure?

I'm curious now what tournament structures are working with a 1k vs 2k. Oh, the can of worms...

 

[grantc54]

1. Nobody is used to having a 2000 chip.
2. It makes a blind schedule more difficult because the 1000 chip is easier to prepare for.
3. It forces you to move the color up of the 500 chip.
4. Moving that color up causes you to move a scheduled break.

I have run a tournament with a t2000 chip twice. Never again. Nobody likes it. It was terrible.

I had the same experience. I added a T2000 and T10k to a set that only had T5, T25, T100, and T500.

Nobody liked it, was difficult to adjust to, and I don't think I'd do it again.

 

[tabletalker7]

what is it that drives some people to the 2k chip, or dare I say, a 2500 chip?

2 reasons.

1. A large enough T5 base tournament could benefit from a T2000 chip. Usually with a T5 base the T500 is the top chip in play, but if the tournament has enough people in it to start then maybe a higher chip could help near the end when there is only 3 players and they all have so many chips they can't see over their stacks. I can't personally speak of this since I run T25 base but it makes sense on paper. With it being the top chip, scheduled breaks become irrelevant and most of the negatives are made mute.

2. They are cheap asses. The set used when I ran those two ill designed tournaments with it were for a friend who had to use his tournament set that was fresh from "Tina". Now while I understand that cost is an issue and ceramics are a great way to save some cash, those chips from Tina left a lot to be desired. There were a few spinners, a few chips that didn't print quite right, and let's also mention that there is no standard rack that holds these properly (20 per barrel in a Chipco rack was still loose). He went with Tina to save money, and having a T2000 and then a T10000 chip let him buy less chips to save more money. His chip set felt so bad and played so bad that attendance cut in half almost immediately, and with him forcing those chips on the players no one wants to play and I don't want to run it anymore.

I understand being on a budget. This is not the answer. Do not do it. If the budget is the concern, wait and keep saving money. A "standard" denomination set from our good friends @BR Pro Poker will cost twice as much, but they are 10 times better. While most chip civilians won't know a good chip if it slapped them in the face, most know a bad chip immediately. Don't let a bad chip kill your game.

 

[Huskerchipper]

I'll be making some T2000 chips very soon, so I say they are still useful.

Same homie...same. Praying my players can figure out the Maff. Oh $hit, they did last weekend without a single issue for the first time ever. Everyone knows what works best for their own game so I respect whatever works for ya! I mean there are people out there still out there using dice chips with completely whacked out values sooooo.....

 

[Nine_high]

I dislike a 2k chip. It's not natural.

We think and speak in units of 1, 100, and 1,000. We get use out of some in between values but generally we should have chips in these natural units.

 

[Huskerchipper]

I dislike a 2k chip. It's not natural.

We think and speak in units of 1, 100, and 1,000. We get use out of some in between values but generally we should have chips in these natural units.

Sooooo....only units of 1 are natural?? No disrespect but that makes no sense to me. I have been hosting tourneys for almost 25 years and have had loads of people play in my game and I use virtually every structure you can think of. I do not remember a single player struggle with 5, 20, 25, 500 etc.

 

[Nine_high]

Sooooo....only units of 1 are natural?? No disrespect but that makes no sense to me. I have been hosting tourneys for almost 25 years and have had loads of people play in my game and I use virtually every structure you can think of. I do not remember a single player struggle with 5, 20, 25, 500 etc.

Sure, there are all those in between values. No issue there. And I'm not saying it can't be done but skipping 1k to use a 2k is unnatural. I think there is good reason people find it awkward.

 

[Huskerchipper]

Sure, there are all those in between values. No issue there. And I'm not saying it can't be done but skipping 1k to use a 2k is unnatural. I think there is good reason people find it awkward.

I understand what your saying to a degree with 1 values, but generally in poker we aren't dealing with difficult mathematics in regards to chip values. 500 to 1k is the only standard 2x chip. ALL normal (not oddballs like $2.50 etc) denominations are 4x-5x. Thats why it's odd to me personally that some see the only nonstandard 2x chip as natural. Now, having said all of that I have sets that have 1,000 and others that are 2,000 values and that has to do with what T structure I am doing with that set. T25 structure I use the 2,000 value. Now my T100 and larger I use the 1,000 value because of blind levels. I think either works perfectly fine depending on what you are trying to accomplish.