CPC disappointment (1 Viewer)

[JP1984]

Out of interest, how many casinos in the UK use Paulsons? Anyone know?

Zero. One private club in London used to. It’s all Matsui now. At best…

 

[TheADMIRAL]

I have chips, I have a set I really like, I'm not looking for another "amazon" set. But I always dreamed there were even better ones, this forum has me thinking there is more out there, and I'll keep looking. Got some Paulson samples coming in, got some Royal 43mm coming in. Maybe I'll like them...

I think we have to be careful of the expensive = better. It's probably better for most people but not everyone. My players love a fancy plaque or jeton much more than an expensive chip.

I don't know of any casinos that use Paulsons in the UK. My local (Stratford) has really horrible chips. They feel sweaty if that is even possible.

 

[BPTDirector]

Chips like everything else in life are a personal choice. If you do not like the characteristics of clay chips perhaps plastics like B & G or Matsui or abbiati are suitable for your tastes. Good luck on your quest, please forgive our seemingly rude and callous remarks as we stand up for the clays we love.

 

[Eriks]

My players love a fancy plaque or jeton much more than an expensive chip.

Plaques is a cool addition. Not exactly cheap, but usually they are reserved for bigger denoms so one doesn’t need as many.

You can get ceramic ones from brpro or plastic ones from MSK for instance.

The weight thing is a matter of what one is used to I guess. I have owned a set of 14g+ but I had to get rid of them. To me they felt ridiculously heavy.

 

[JP1984]

I have chips, I have a set I really like, I'm not looking for another "amazon" set. But I always dreamed there were even better ones, this forum has me thinking there is more out there, and I'll keep looking. Got some Paulson samples coming in, got some Royal 43mm coming in. Maybe I'll like them...

I think we have to be careful of the expensive = better. It's probably better for most people but not everyone. My players love a fancy plaque or jeton much more than an expensive chip.

I don't know of any casinos that use Paulsons in the UK. My local (Stratford) has really horrible chips. They feel sweaty if that is even possible.

Leaded Paulson’s might please you. Worth exploring but they’ll be pricey.

 

[Eriks]

Leaded Paulson’s might please you. Worth exploring but they’ll be pricey.

You’re merciless

 

[mipevi]

High end plastics are (probably) what you are looking for. I love me some of that fancy schmancy BG goodness.

 

[TheDuke]

@TheADMIRAL, if the variation of inlay application and errant clay specks on chips is too tilting, then you should definitely avoid any CPC chips.

If you had obtained chips in quantity, you'd come across other disparities. You'd probably find these issues even more tilting. Search for the term 'split spots'. You'll be even more turned off when you learn about this potential issue.

There are also some disparities that can have a functional impact. Chip thickness and diameter can actually vary considerably depending on the CPC mold. Meaning stacks of chips will have varying heights and widths.

All of these imperfections have to be overlooked if you want a CPC set.

 

[chipinla]

I have chips, I have a set I really like, I'm not looking for another "amazon" set. But I always dreamed there were even better ones, this forum has me thinking there is more out there, and I'll keep looking. Got some Paulson samples coming in, got some Royal 43mm coming in. Maybe I'll like them...

I think we have to be careful of the expensive = better. It's probably better for most people but not everyone. My players love a fancy plaque or jeton much more than an expensive chip.

I don't know of any casinos that use Paulsons in the UK. My local (Stratford) has really horrible chips. They feel sweaty if that is even possible.

You should check out what a lot of us have done with CPC. I wouldn’t let those samples stop you.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/chipdb/categories/custom-sets.2/

 

[TheADMIRAL]

@TheADMIRAL

If you had obtained chips in quantity, you'd come across other disparities. You'd probably find these issues even more tilting.

It depends what you mean by quantity, I have a fair amount of chips, but no variety. There are virtually no discrepancies that I can notice. Since this pic I've got around 60 of the majestic plaques that go nicely.

If these were perfect I wouldn't be looking for something else. So don't think I'm saying these are amazing, they aren't, they are very good, especially for the price (although they don't make them anymore and it requires eBay hunting).

 

[upNdown]

Leaded Paulson’s might please you. Worth exploring but they’ll be pricey.

Leaded Paulsons are unquestionably closer to 10g than 14g. Some leaded hot stamps make it over the 12g threshold, as well as some (but not all) leaded oversized chips.
14 grams is just not a realistic weight for clay chips.

 

[JP1984]

Haha! Don’t start on me! I’m just trying to lure him to the dark side!

 

[TheDuke]

It depends what you mean by quantity, I have a fair amount of chips, but no variety. There are virtually no discrepancies that I can notice. Since this pic I've got around 60 of the majestic plaques that go nicely.View attachment 1152531

If these were perfect I wouldn't be looking for something else. So don't think I'm saying these are amazing, they aren't, they are very good, especially for the price (although they don't make them anymore and it requires eBay hunting).

What I wrote was about CPC chips. You only have a sample set right? If you had CPC chips in quantity you'd notice even more discrepancies.

 

[links_slayer]

Man, this makes me really miss the good ol' days with Jim, Cathy, and Sally.

 

[MeridianFC]

Outside of ceramics OP might want to check out Abbiati and Matsui. High end plastics aren’t for everyone but they make a good product and the level of consistency I think OP is looking for can be found there. I’m a clay guy but I’ve seen some of those sets I’d definitely own?

 

[TheADMIRAL]

Outside of ceramics OP might want to check out Abbiati and Matsui. High end plastics aren’t for everyone but they make a good product and the level of consistency I think OP is looking for can be found there. I’m a clay guy but I’ve seen some of those sets I’d definitely own?

Thank you

 

[allforcharity]

It depends what you mean by quantity, I have a fair amount of chips, but no variety. There are virtually no discrepancies that I can notice. Since this pic I've got around 60 of the majestic plaques that go nicely.View attachment 1152531

If these were perfect I wouldn't be looking for something else. So don't think I'm saying these are amazing, they aren't, they are very good, especially for the price (although they don't make them anymore and it requires eBay hunting).

So you have a set of Casino Royale chips, made by Cartamundi as promotional materials straight from the production design of the 2006 James Bond movie.

As far as slugged plastics go, they are not the worst you can buy. But if you are truly looking at casino quality heavy chips, you will need to look for Bourgogne et Grasset (B&G), usually from casinos in continental Europe.

Alternatively, there are offerings from Abbiati and Matsui, but they aren't quite as heavy at 11.5g. We've done group buys here, search for Crowne Plaza and Park Place designs.

 

[Irish]

This is why we stress getting samples, everyone had different tastes. If you're looking for a premium version of what you already have, I'd consider these:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/park-place-cash-set.106560/

 

[Eriks]

So you have a set of Casino Royale chips, made by Cartamundi as promotional materials straight from the production design of the 2006 James Bond movie.

As far as slugged plastics go, they are not the worst you can buy. But if you are truly looking at casino quality heavy chips, you will need to look for Bourgogne et Grasset (B&G), usually from casinos in continental Europe.

Alternatively, there are offerings from Abbiati and Matsui, but they aren't quite as heavy at 11.5g. We've done group buys here, search for Crowne Plaza and Park Place designs.

Agreed, the heavy set I owned was B&G. Liked it aside from the weight. Not as slippery as Matsui or Abiatti

 

[Blaster]

Yes as mentioned, "paint" , "label/stickers", and " injection molding" have nothing to do with cpc clay inlaid compression chips..
You can specify inlay orientation on custom sets( not sure if their stock sets are oriented), and you may see an occasional fleck of clay color in the chip or edgespot..
Cheaper injection molded plastic ("ceramic") chips with stickers would be more consistent but not as nice, imo...

 

[Toxic7]

A few things:

- Your plastic slugged chips are injection molded - in massive quantities on industrial machines that were designed to cheaply churn out millions of identical plastic chips
- CPC (and Paulson and TRKs) are COMPRESSION molded, which is an entirely different manufacturing process which starts with blanks of “clay material” which then have edge spots punched out and replaced with other colors of clay chip material placed by hand and then compressed to form the chip, which is then lathed down to final size. The
- there is nothing “painted” anywhere on a clay chip
- CPC inlays are generally aligned in production
- there are imperfections - in the same way that a hand carved sculpture is going to have imperfections which add to the unique feel unlike a CNC carved or 3D printed item.
- If paying for a hand crafted item doesn’t appeal to you then your best bet is probably “Tina” cards mold or hybrid chips for ~$.50/

PS - shuffle your samples 1-200 times to soften the factory lathed edges and break them in a bit. They’ll feel and shuffle better than any plastic chip out there

CPC rocks!
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Thank you for explaining this process. New member trying to understand the differences in chips with both Ceramic and Clay variants. Much appreciated.

 

[studog]

I think these samples are so you can feel them and judge colors and mold looks. I don’t think they are showcasing their label alignment or their color QC. If you want samples that demonstrate that you should ask specifically for them if that is a deal killer.

I will attempt to illustrate why sample sets should be the very best of the best of a manufacturer's production capability.

I think these samples are so you can feel them and judge [ label alignment ] and [ color QC ]. I don’t think they are showcasing their [ colors ] or their [ mold looks ]. If you want samples that demonstrate that you should ask specifically for them if that is a deal killer.

Sample sets are for judging every aspect of the chip, specifically because one customer might care about one aspect, and a different customer about a different aspect, and it's not feasible to have [ N aspects ] different sample sets in inventory.

 

[maxim_666666]

I just received my samples. They were dusty and dirty. With slight deviations. But damn, that's the beauty of these chips. They are made by hand. How else?
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Well, when we say “like bricks,” this is of course something special...

All stickers are fine.

 

[BearMetal]

All you need to do is just lightly brush the ass torture with a brush.

 

[BigJackJones]

 

[maxim_666666]

IF they relegate slightly defected chips for samples as a cost saving measure then I WOULD raise an eyebrow at that given prospective buyers, such as yourself, would use the samples to determine if a larger purchase is warranted. I want to say CPC doesn't take this route but there's no way for me to actually know.

It seems to me that it is too difficult and expensive to sort out the worst and best chips. This handsome guy has now become special!
And a huge plus of CPC is zero color transfer...

 

[maxim_666666]

T9....
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All you need to do is lightly brush off the factory dust with a brush.

I haven't laughed so much in a long time...

Entschuldigung....

 

[BigRyan]

was going through my rounders set today and realized one of my 1k’s is quite a bit thicker and has something stuck to the face side. No big deal since they sent me an extra.
My set also has random color flecks and tons of factory dust. Doesn’t bother me at all since the sound/weight/ and look are exactly what I wanted. Plus the dust I can oil off or use them and get it off naturally.

 

[Colquhoun]

I once had a casino Paulson that had a small fleck of clay embedded into the the inlay…on the outside, not underneath. I took an xacto and flicked it out…there’s now a small divot in the laminate where the piece of clay was.
Slight imperfections with stray clay pieces are part of the process.

 

[chkmte]

This has been brought up before by people that buy sample chips. CPC should make it clear that the sample chips are pretty much rejected chips from a run. It can be confusing to someone that is trying to judge if they want a set based off just the few sample chips they receive.

The quality of a full set will be much better! You still have a few error chips, but they also include some extras to make up for it.

You’d be better off trying to buy some samples of members custom chips to get a realistic representation of CPC quality.

Sending out anything less than your best as a sample is a HUGE mistake, IMO.