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Chiming in with the rest to say that each CPC chip is a handmade piece of art. None will be perfect, and no two will be identical. For many, this is the charm and the appeal of their chips.

But if perfect uniformity is really important, you might want to consider quality ceramics instead.
 
A few things:

- Your plastic slugged chips are injection molded - in massive quantities on industrial machines that were designed to cheaply churn out millions of identical plastic chips
- CPC (and Paulson and TRKs) are COMPRESSION molded, which is an entirely different manufacturing process which starts with blanks of “clay material” which then have edge spots punched out and replaced with other colors of clay chip material placed by hand and then compressed to form the chip, which is then lathed down to final size. The
- there is nothing “painted” anywhere on a clay chip
- CPC inlays are generally aligned in production
- there are imperfections - in the same way that a hand carved sculpture is going to have imperfections which add to the unique feel unlike a CNC carved or 3D printed item.
- If paying for a hand crafted item doesn’t appeal to you then your best bet is probably “Tina” cards mold or hybrid chips for ~$.50/

PS - shuffle your samples 1-200 times to soften the factory lathed edges and break them in a bit. They’ll feel and shuffle better than any plastic chip out there

CPC rocks!
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Well, I am so excited that you got samples, this will help you through out your journey! I am and I am sure you, are grateful you didn't spend 3-8k on a set from CPC!

I'm just glad you didn't get enough to see the barrel height differences, that would blow your socks off!

The good news, there is still clay options for you, its only going to cost you 2x the CPCs (Paulsons). you can also check out high end plastics for around 2.5-3.5 per chip.

You can find all of my sets in my signature

Also I would like to point out, that Hope is the first step on the path of disappointment. Take a point of view from Bob Ross, little happy ascendants in custom hand made chips...

Also I love some Jimmy buffet, Son of a Son of a Sailor ... 'The seas in my veins, my tradition remains, I'm just glad I don't live in a trailer..' - I'm just glad I don't have to play with dice chips...
 
TheADMIRAL said:
I was expecting little discs of happiness, and what I got was little discs of disappointment.
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TheADMIRAL said:
the injection moulding was off centre or misaligned between front and back, there were marks where the colours had stained each other. Am I being unrealistic? Did I get a bad batch?


The 500 "label" is off centre, the $5 bear is not North/South aligned, the others have chip spot paint in places they should not.

I have what I know are considered inferior chips, the metal slug 2006 cartamundi Casino royale ones (not the newer ones Josh sells). These just don't have imperfections and cost a tiny fraction of CPC.

Help me, I dreamed of these chips, the fantasy "one day" purchase. And the samples were way worse (in all respects, weight, shuffleability, durability, feel) than the cheap shizzle I already had. Tell me I got unlucky?!
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Mass-produced plastics generally will not see a lot of variance in production quality. But they are what they are... cheap plastic sluggers which I find both lackluster and antiseptic. Sure, they'll do the job of being a poker chip just fine; however, they will never look, feel, or sound like casino-grade COMPRESSION clay which is what CPCs are.

All I have is speculation regarding the grade of chip that CPC selects for sample sets.

IF they relegate slightly defected chips for samples as a cost saving measure then I WOULD raise an eyebrow at that given prospective buyers, such as yourself, would use the samples to determine if a larger purchase is warranted. I want to say CPC doesn't take this route but there's no way for me to actually know.

I'll offer these points in CPC's defense:
  • As general corrections to what you posted: CPCs are not "injection" molded chips, nor are they "paint"ed.
  • It's my guess that CPCs manufacturing process is a lot more manual than that of Paulson, thus there will be slightly more variance in production quality in comparison. This is just something that one must accept when ordering any set from CPC. IMHO, this IS a concern, though a small one.
  • I think these variances in spots/colors/inlay position actually CONTRIBUTE positively to chip appearance rather than detract from it. A more handcrafted and nuanced look is something one generally does not get from mass-produced plastic.
  • There are COUNTLESS pics across this forum of custom and stock CPC chips. Spend some time studying them. If you find the level of flaws/imperfections you see there unacceptable, then by all means find an alternative; ceramics perhaps.
  • I have three separate sets of custom CPCs constituting over 3400 chips. Of this total I can accurately say that no greater than 1% qualify as true defects. I'm actually wanting to order a 4th set, but I think my wife would drop-kick me to the moon as a result.
  • Unless one can figure out a way to reliably get Paulson to sell chips to individuals, CPC is the only option for new high-end compression clay chips for the home market.
 
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Like virtually every hobby, there is a learning period where certain features are more important than others. Most people don’t start drinking neat whiskey, black coffee, or rare steak. But a lot of aficionados of those things end up with those preferences. Of course, not all do and that’s okay! Compressed clay chips are kinda like that.

Most of us on the forum are big fans of CPC and that’s the reason we wait 6 to 9 months on average for our custom sets. Get samples of other types of chips and buy what you value the most. If you like consistency and still want casino grade, consider high end plastic like Matsui.
 
You lost me at injection molding because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Would you rather have a one of a kind piece of art or a reprint that’s sold for the masses? Walmart has some perfect dice chips for sale. Have at it.
 
kmccormick100 said:
A few things:

- Your plastic slugged chips are injection molded - in massive quantities on industrial machines that were designed to cheaply churn out millions of identical plastic chips
- CPC (and Paulson and TRKs) are COMPRESSION molded, which is an entirely different manufacturing process which starts with blanks of “clay material” which then have edge spots punched out and replaced with other colors of clay chip material placed by hand and then compressed to form the chip, which is then lathed down to final size. The
- there is nothing “painted” anywhere on a clay chip
- CPC inlays are generally aligned in production
- there are imperfections - in the same way that a hand carved sculpture is going to have imperfections which add to the unique feel unlike a CNC carved or 3D printed item.
- If paying for a hand crafted item doesn’t appeal to you then your best bet is probably “Tina” cards mold or hybrid chips for ~$.50/

PS - shuffle your samples 1-200 times to soften the factory lathed edges and break them in a bit. They’ll feel and shuffle better than any plastic chip out there

CPC rocks!
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Bicycle Shack’s are still one of my all-time favorite CPC sets.
 
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JP1984 said:
@TheADMIRAL where abouts are you, mate? I’m in the sticks near Welwyn Garden City. I’d happily help put your mind at rest…

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Thank you, that's a great looking set...but Essex is a bit far!

I think part of the problem is I'm used to 14g chips, I know that most ppl prefer 10g etc, but I've used 14g chips for 20 years. I played online professionally for a couple of years shuffling chips in my non mouse hand all day long. Then Americans and their easy money got kicked off the internet. Sad times. That is a lot of hours of just knowing the weight and feel instinctively. Heavy feels "right" to me.
 
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chipinla said:
You lost me at injection molding because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Would you rather have a one of a kind piece of art or a reprint that’s sold for the masses? Walmart has some perfect dice chips for sale. Have at it.
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You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about, which is why I'm asking questions.

You however are clearly a superior human being in every respect and your contribution here has been most helpful and informative.
 
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TheADMIRAL said:
You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about, which is why I asking questions.

You however are clearly a superior human being in every respect and your contribution here has been most helpful and informative.
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Hahahahhahahahahahahahhhaha chip being a superior human.

Oh lordt. I needed this. Thank you....
 
TheADMIRAL said:
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Thank you, that's a great looking set...but Essex is a bit far!

I think part of the problem is I'm used to 14g chips, I know that most ppl prefer 10g etc, but I've used 14g chips for 20 years. I played online professionally for a couple of years shuffling chips in my non mouse hand all day long. Then Americans and their easy money got kicked off the internet. Sad times. That is a lot of hours of just knowing the weight and feel instinctively. Heavy feels "right" to me.
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Fair enough. You won’t find anyone agreeing with you here though :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: as you’ve already realised.

Sadly, the rubbish you find in G, Genting, Hippo etc means most in the UK feel the same/don’t care about clay.

Most of my crew couldn’t give a shit either :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: plenty of “14g Casino weight” options on Amazon though. Plus you’ll save thousands!
 
I think part of the problem is this:
People here regularly disparage cheap chips as being crap, because of (amongst other things) the quality control can be a bit hit and miss. This means variations in colour, chip height etc. You buy cheap, and you'll get imperfect chips.

At the same time, whenever anyone raises CPC variations/imperfections, the response seems to be "Well what do you expect? They're expensive!"

Criticizing imperfections in cheap chips but adoring them in expensive ones *could* seem a little counter-intuitive to new folks here.
 
JP1984 said:
Fair enough. You won’t find anyone agreeing with you here though :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: as you’ve already realised.

Sadly, the rubbish you find in G, Genting, Hippo etc means most in the UK feel the same/don’t care about clay.

Most of my crew couldn’t give a shit either :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: plenty of “14g Casino weight” options on Amazon though. Plus you’ll save thousands!
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Out of interest, how many casinos in the UK use Paulsons? Anyone know?
 

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