This is theft, where one citizen has stolen from another. Call the police, then full on body tackle the guy to pin him down! Yell “citizens arrest”. The cops have to take him away in cuffs as you’re pressing charges.
I think their authority stops at the betting line. Anything in the pot they absolutely have the discretion to award. Including the original $100 that crossed the betting line, if the guy tried to take that, the casino would have grounds to restrain him.Forget stealing other peoples’ chips, why would anyone agree with a floor ruling that isn’t in their favor? If the floor doesn’t have the power to award a pot, then what’s the point in them being there at all?
Wonder if he had the nutz trying to get you to re-raise lol just things escalated to quickly lolI was playing 2/4 at the flamingo once and a guy tried to say just kidding about a re-raise on the river. I had had flush. Dealer called the floor. Floor asked him to put the chips in the pot. Guy refused. Floor called security and security asked guy to put chips in the pot. Mind you we are talking about an $8 bet. Guy still refused. Security informs guy they are going to put the bet in the pot and then he has to leave. Guy stands up and shoves security. Security detains guy and calls police. Police arrive quickly and arrest guy for assaulting security.
Dealer pushes me pot.
Things that happen at 4:30 am in casinos....
Guy was still in a tux from whatever wedding he had been at.
Wonder if he had the nutz trying to get you to re-raise lol just things escalated to quickly lol
NopeThis is theft,
Police arrive quickly and arrest guy for assaulting security
are enough people not going to play at the Wynn now for them to even notice? No
Floor called security and security asked guy to put chips in the pot. Mind you we are talking about an $8 bet. Guy still refused. Security informs guy they are going to put the bet in the pot and then he has to leave. Guy stands up and shoves security. Security detains guy and calls police. Police arrive quickly and arrest guy for assaulting security
Hope more people do so next time they stop the guy.This is the sort of thing that should ruin the Wynn's reputation. I will skip it on my next jaunt.
If the Flamingo can do the right thing over 8 effing bucks, why couldn't the Wynn?
Easy solution: No more saying "All-in" and the dealer tossing an All-in button. All chips have to be counted and put in the pot. Yes, it may slow down the game, but it will stop this bullshit from happening again.
On both those accounts there's way too many lawyers chomping at the bit to get a nice payout from a giant casino corporation that'd be ready and willing to avoid a court case.
Agreed but by not acting they don't have to worry about a lawsuit from either party. It's the easy - let them deal with it - way out.They they should just make the player whole. It will cost them less than what it would take to settle this.
The problem is he called so no the chips weren't physically in the pot but they were "in the pot" in the sense he called and received an all in button. If they "weren't in the pot" why did the dealer deal out the board?
Could very well be wrong but by interpretation I would say they mean the dealer can't physically move the chips over the line and "in [the] pot". Not sure it makes a difference but he raised all-in verbally and only signaled it physically by putting 1 $100 chip over the line himself.The problem is he called so no the chips weren't physically in the pot but they were "in the pot" in the sense he called and received an all in button. If they "weren't in the pot" why did the dealer deal out the board?
Exactly my point, where is the protection of players. Blows my mind. Also if I'm a guy who just got screwed, I have no idea who the blowhard is that just walked out with my chips. So no it's not easy to go after him. And as another member stated I'm there on vacation no way I'm going to be able to follow up with this mess. I can just see the Wynn "we can't share personal info of our guests" further protecting the thief. Meanwhile they have 250 cameras watching you so you don't take theirs.I was just thinking the same thing. How could the dealer deal a flop, turn, and river if he wasn’t already all-in and called. So the floor allowed the action to take place like this without pulling the money in. They should have to pay the winner his money.
What are you saying? Of course he was all in they ran 5 cards, who cares if they were across the line. I'm not following you sorryCould very well be wrong but by interpretation I would say they mean the dealer can't physically move the chips over the line and "in [the] pot". Not sure it makes a difference but he raised all-in verbally and only signaled it physically by putting 1 $100 chip over the line himself.
I'm saying I think it was clearly a factor in how the casino determined their response. If you don't think it was, you're saying the Wynn is OK with people grabbing money from the pots (middle of the table) on hands they clearly lost then protecting them while they cash and walk out. Yes, I know that's essentially what they did but clearly they saw it as a factor that changed how we would expect them to react.What are you saying? Of course he was all in they ran 5 cards, who cares if they were across the line. I'm not following you sorry
Your proving my point in what's the difference? Why can't I just grab my money out of the pot when I lose? It's not the casino's money so what does it matter where on the table the bet is? Clearly they honored it as binding as shown by the run out.I'm saying I think it was clearly a factor in how the casino determined their response. If you don't think it was, you're saying the Wynn is OK with people grabbing money from the pots (middle of the table) on hands they clearly lost then protecting them while they cash and walk out. Yes, I know that's essentially what they did but clearly they say it as a nuance that changed how we would expect them to react.
Ask the casino, clearly they think there's a difference or if you don't think that, then go to your nearest Wynn and grab money out of a pot you lost and see what happens (just remember the body cam). I'm not the casino so I don't know what their policy is I'm just trying to explain in the most rational way why they may have done something that seems to make little to no sense.Your proving my point in what's the difference? Why can't I just grab my money out of the pot when I lose? It's not the casino's money so what does it matter where on the table the bet is? Clearly they honored it as binding as shown by the run out.
Again, my guess is that there's some legal risk here that they were considering and avoiding
True and if any large corporation has a policy about handling theft I'm 99.99% sure it's to do nothing. Why? Lawyers. Seems to be a repeating themeIn all fairness to casinos, they do little to prevent armed robbery of their own funds either. Look at the Bellagio bandit and the recently deceased robber. Security did nothing, beyond providing video surveillance, and (I assume) eyewitness accounts. I know there have been a few dealers on the site... perhaps @dennis63 might be able to share if the dealers have been instructed not to directly interfere with chip thieves, whether from another player's stack or from the dealer's rack.
I'm not asking the casino to Billy club the guy, I'm saying make the poor bastard who won the pot whole. OR DONT CASH OUT THE SOB WHO JUST ROBBED THE DUDE. Ya know? He gives you the chips and the dealer walks up and says those aren't his. I mean God how hard is itIn all fairness to casinos, they do little to prevent armed robbery of their own funds either. Look at the Bellagio bandit and the recently deceased robber. Security did nothing, beyond providing video surveillance, and (I assume) eyewitness accounts. I know there have been a few dealers on the site... perhaps @dennis63 might be able to share if the dealers have been instructed not to directly interfere with chip thieves, whether from another player's stack or from the dealer's rack.