This is theft, where one citizen has stolen from another. Call the police, then full on body tackle the guy to pin him down! Yell “citizens arrest”. The cops have to take him away in cuffs as you’re pressing charges.
Cash Game Bizzzzzare angle at WYNN (2 Viewers)
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Frogzilla
4 of a Kind
I think their authority stops at the betting line. Anything in the pot they absolutely have the discretion to award. Including the original $100 that crossed the betting line, if the guy tried to take that, the casino would have grounds to restrain him.
I was playing 2/4 at the flamingo once and a guy tried to say just kidding about a re-raise on the river. I had had flush. Dealer called the floor. Floor asked him to put the chips in the pot. Guy refused. Floor called security and security asked guy to put chips in the pot. Mind you we are talking about an $8 bet. Guy still refused. Security informs guy they are going to put the bet in the pot and then he has to leave. Guy stands up and shoves security. Security detains guy and calls police. Police arrive quickly and arrest guy for assaulting security.
Dealer pushes me pot.
Things that happen at 4:30 am in casinos....
Guy was still in a tux from whatever wedding he had been at.
Dealer pushes me pot.
Things that happen at 4:30 am in casinos....
Guy was still in a tux from whatever wedding he had been at.
Wonder if he had the nutz trying to get you to re-raise lol just things escalated to quickly lol
That is possible. The guy was really drunk. I said nothing during the whole episode which I think the dealer appreciated.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
None of this would fly at the Tangiers.
(4 pages and nobody went here)
Boycott the Wynn.
(4 pages and nobody went here)
Boycott the Wynn.
1A25R
Flush
Nope
You feel like you have been robbed but actually the other player never honored a debt.
This is a gambling debt at the best?
Not for the players chips?
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
This is the sort of thing that should ruin the Wynn's reputation. I will skip it on my next jaunt.
If the Flamingo can do the right thing over 8 effing bucks, why couldn't the Wynn?
Hope more people do so next time they stop the guy.
My guess is mostly because the guy was drunk, probably causing a scene, and it was only for a $8 reraise not a guy angling all in for $1,300? But who knows maybe just a different (better) policy at the flamingo?
RocAFella1
Royal Flush
justsomedude
Straight Flush
justsomedude
Straight Flush
I totally agree, and I'm sure Wynn management and other properties are already having this conversation. It's the only way to avoid this in the future. Get rid of the "all-in" button, count the chips and put them in the middle. Problem solved.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
They they should just make the player whole. It will cost them less than what it would take to settle this.
Agreed but by not acting they don't have to worry about a lawsuit from either party. It's the easy - let them deal with it - way out.
Hopefully they'll get enough public backlash to feel differently next time.
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
I posted this on my local poker FB group and 2 of the players are friends with a floor person at the Wynn and asked him about it. Here is the reply they got.
I cut out the names.
I cut out the names.
The problem is he called so no the chips weren't physically in the pot but they were "in the pot" in the sense he called and received an all in button. If they "weren't in the pot" why did the dealer deal out the board?
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
I was just thinking the same thing. How could the dealer deal a flop, turn, and river if he wasn’t already all-in and called. So the floor allowed the action to take place like this without pulling the money in. They should have to pay the winner his money.
Could very well be wrong but by interpretation I would say they mean the dealer can't physically move the chips over the line and "in [the] pot". Not sure it makes a difference but he raised all-in verbally and only signaled it physically by putting 1 $100 chip over the line himself.
Exactly my point, where is the protection of players. Blows my mind. Also if I'm a guy who just got screwed, I have no idea who the blowhard is that just walked out with my chips. So no it's not easy to go after him. And as another member stated I'm there on vacation no way I'm going to be able to follow up with this mess. I can just see the Wynn "we can't share personal info of our guests" further protecting the thief. Meanwhile they have 250 cameras watching you so you don't take theirs.
What are you saying? Of course he was all in they ran 5 cards, who cares if they were across the line. I'm not following you sorry
At my home game if someone’s all in it’s mandatory all chips pass my betting line, I then always count out the chips no matter if the other guy snap calls, I then match bets, then both whole cards are exposed like in a tourney!!! We don’t play like how in Vegas if someone goes all in they don’t show till end. we expose them right away and run the cards out. Bingo bango boooom shakalaka!!!!!
I'm saying I think it was clearly a factor in how the casino determined their response. If you don't think it was, you're saying the Wynn is OK with people grabbing money from the pots (middle of the table) on hands they clearly lost then protecting them while they cash and walk out. Yes, I know that's essentially what they did but clearly they saw it as a factor that changed how we would expect them to react.
Again, my guess is that there's some legal risk here that they were considering and avoiding.
Your proving my point in what's the difference? Why can't I just grab my money out of the pot when I lose? It's not the casino's money so what does it matter where on the table the bet is? Clearly they honored it as binding as shown by the run out.
Ask the casino, clearly they think there's a difference or if you don't think that, then go to your nearest Wynn and grab money out of a pot you lost and see what happens (just remember the body cam). I'm not the casino so I don't know what their policy is I'm just trying to explain in the most rational way why they may have done something that seems to make little to no sense.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
In all fairness to casinos, they do little to prevent armed robbery of their own funds either. Look at the Bellagio bandit and the recently deceased robber. Security did nothing, beyond providing video surveillance, and (I assume) eyewitness accounts. I know there have been a few dealers on the site... perhaps @dennis63 might be able to share if the dealers have been instructed not to directly interfere with chip thieves, whether from another player's stack or from the dealer's rack.
If you mean not care about their customers and are scared of hit and run lawyers then yes that's what it is.
True and if any large corporation has a policy about handling theft I'm 99.99% sure it's to do nothing. Why? Lawyers. Seems to be a repeating theme
@ReallyGoodUsername so here is a question for you, if he pushed his chips in middle then lost and was grabbing his chips out of middle would they cash him out?
I'm not asking the casino to Billy club the guy, I'm saying make the poor bastard who won the pot whole. OR DONT CASH OUT THE SOB WHO JUST ROBBED THE DUDE. Ya know? He gives you the chips and the dealer walks up and says those aren't his. I mean God how hard is it
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