Art on Sun-Fly chips - only 60 colors? (1 Viewer)

[Larold]

I'm looking at the Sun Fly PDF catalogue, and it states "Sun Fly offers up to 60 different standard colors. All these colors listed below have been tested and are exactly the same as the printed colors on our chips."

I'm getting interested in the poly clay chips, but this got me to wondering - are the only colors they are capable of printing these 60 colors? Should I keep my artwork very simple in terms of color scheme? At first I was thinking about snapping photos of guitars I have, shrinking down the image, and using those pics as the center artwork. But I would need the printing process to be able to use arbitrary colors. If the color palette is limited, photo-quality artwork wouldn't be possible.

I know they also have options for inlay labels with custom art - wondering if that custom art is a different printing process on the labels and hence can use an almost-arbitrary color scheme like CYMK or something.

Thanks!

 

[Quicksilver-75]

No. Don't worry about it. Those are rhe colors they can guarantee will turn out as expected. It gets a little hairy when you work with blue/greens and some other off shades. The colors represented don't quite print how you'de expect. Using one of those colors they have ensures you get what you want.
I've done many sets using Sunfly and have never worried about sticking to their palette. That said, I have had a couple instances where my teals and lime colors came out not "exactly" as intended.

 

[Fran]

I'm looking at the Sun Fly PDF catalogue, and it states "Sun Fly offers up to 60 different standard colors. All these colors listed below have been tested and are exactly the same as the printed colors on our chips."

I'm getting interested in the poly clay chips, but this got me to wondering - are the only colors they are capable of printing these 60 colors? Should I keep my artwork very simple in terms of color scheme? At first I was thinking about snapping photos of guitars I have, shrinking down the image, and using those pics as the center artwork. But I would need the printing process to be able to use arbitrary colors. If the color palette is limited, photo-quality artwork wouldn't be possible.

I know they also have options for inlay labels with custom art - wondering if that custom art is a different printing process on the labels and hence can use an almost-arbitrary color scheme like CYMK or something.

Thanks!

If you want the exact same results than the Sunfly color sample (not the color reference guide) yes stay with the standard Colors, it also offer you the ability to do add-on later that will look exactly the same.

You can try some other colors but you will need to adjust during prototyping (based on pictures sent by Sunfly) before production.

For Polyclay chips your design is printed onto the ceramic so with detailed design with many colors the result can be not that good.

If Inlay art is the main part of you project yes you should maybe go for polyinno chips with sticker for that you can use pictures (in vector) but you must use CMYK Colors to get the closest results.

Don’t hesitate to contact Susie (susie.su@sun-fly.com) she can be helpful and she is very kind and prompt to reply.
Here are some of my SF sets as on exemple.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/mcpr-custom-sunfly-sets.90536/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sdpm-tribute-hybrid-cash-set.101482/

Good luck with your project !

 

[Larold]

If you want the exact same results than the Sunfly color sample (not the color reference guide) yes stay with the standard Colors, it also offer you the ability to do add-on later that will look exactly the same.

You can try some other colors but you will need to adjust during prototyping (based on pictures sent by Sunfly) before production.

For Polyclay chips your design is printed onto the ceramic so with detailed design with many colors the result can be not that good.

If Inlay art is the main part of you project yes you should maybe go for polyinno chips with sticker for that you can use pictures (in vector) but you must use CMYK Colors to get the closest results.

Don’t hesitate to contact Susie (susie.su@sun-fly.com) she can be helpful and she is very kind and prompt to reply.
Here are some of my SF sets as on exemple.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/mcpr-custom-sunfly-sets.90536/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sdpm-tribute-hybrid-cash-set.101482/

Good luck with your project !

Those are beautiful chips! I have a few follow-ups for you -

Most important one - in your first link, with the chips with the card mold around the outer ring - are those Poly Clay or Polyinno?

I have decided I definitely want to be able to feel both something along the outer ring on the main surface (either cards indent or custom text if possible), along with feeling an indented ring that separates the inner portion from outer ring. It looks like the chips in the first link accomplish this? Ideally the center area would be recessed but if not I can live with that.

In this same set - I love how the main color of the chip makes its way into the center area with the artwork; you don't have the artwork taking up the entire center portion. Can I achieve this by simply specifying a custom dimension (in milimeters) for the interior section of artwork? Or did you simply achieve this by selecting a custom shape for the black background inlay?

Other questions I can think of -

In one of the sets, I noticed you had 'STARDUST' in the mold in the outer-ring - does Sun-Fly let you specify arbitrary text on the outer ring of the chip or was 'STARDUST' simply a pre-set mold option they had?

Does Sun-Fly have the ability to send a few samples of each chip in a set that you design before committing to the whole (large) order? Or if not, do they at least have samples of their blank Poly Clay and Polyinnos so I can get a feel of the weight and the shuffling?

It's important to me not to have a white background for the artwork - I want it to instead match, generally, the color of the chip. Is this possible with the style of chips in your first link? I notice you went with a black background - would you have been able to custom-change that to say, sky blue, green, red, etc?

Thanks for the help - going to email Susie now!

 

[Fran]

Those are beautiful chips! I have a few follow-ups for you -

I noticed you had 'STARDUST' in the mold in the outer-ring - does Sun-Fly let you specify arbitrary text on the outer ring of the chip or was 'STARDUST' simply a pre-set mold option they had?

Does Sun-Fly have the ability to send a few samples of each chip in a set that you design before committing to the whole (large) order? Or if not, do they at least have samples of their blank Poly Clay and Polyinnos so I can get a feel of the weight and the shuffling?


Thanks for the help - going to email Susie now!

Polyinno chips are no mold chips @Colquhoun did this amazing Stardust faux mold art for me.
Minimum quantity for order is 300 chips you can’t received just a bunch of custom chips to see how they look but you can buy some stock chips or try to find some here.
If you plan to order more than one set you definitely should ask for a color sample to add to your first order.

 

[Larold]

Polyinno chips are no mold chips @Colquhoun did this amazing Stardust faux mold art for me.
Minimum quantity for order is 300 chips you can’t received just a bunch of custom chips to see how they look but you can buy some stock chips or try to find some here.
If you plan to order more than one set you definitely should ask for a color sample to add to your first order.

Thanks! So to confirm, the chips in your top link are Poly Clay? (They appear to have a mold, and Polyinno are no mold.)

By the way, I heavily edited my first response - there are additional questions I had if you wouldn't mind offering your thoughts. Thanks so much for the help!

 

[Fran]

Thanks! So to confirm, the chips in your top link are Poly Clay? (They appear to have a mold, and Polyinno are no mold.)

By the way, I heavily edited my first response - there are additional questions I had if you wouldn't mind offering your thoughts. Thanks so much for the help!

Yes these are polyclay. For faux shaped inlays they are perfect (as in my first set) polyinno are more difficult to match because same color on a sticker and onto ceramic don’t look exactly the same.
Check this pdf from SF for more info on options available;

https://www.sunflycasinoequipment.com/_files/ugd/245739_b26188e39500496ca3b9323cf78f6bdc.pdf

 

[Fran]

to be precise there is no real inlay on a polyclay chip so you need to send Sunfly a design like that :

 

[Larold]

to be precise there is no real inlay on a polyclay chip so you need to send Sunfly a design like that :
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Thank you!! To confirm, if I am not worried about an exact match for the base color of chip - just best effort to get close - it sounds like I can tell my graphic designer to use arbitrary colors? (I think someone said they would just need to be doable in CYMK?)

 

[Fran]

If you want to go with a sticker option (polyinno) yes you can choose your non standard base color in CMYK and use the same one for the round part of your sticker design and then check with Susie during the prototype phase and resent another template with some color update if needed.

 

[Fran]

If you don’t want a no mold option here are the 4 mold options but on polyclay chip only :

 

[Larold]

If you want to go with a sticker option (polyinno) yes you can choose your non standard base color in CMYK and use the same one for the round part of your sticker design and then check with Susie during the prototype phase and resent another template with some color update if needed.

Oooh... so, I'm 99% sure I don't want a chip that is an entirely smooth surface. I like being able to feel the ring and the cards-shaped impression. I believe you said the Polyinno are a no-mold chip. That means completely flat, smooth surface correct?

If so, and I am seeking the Poly Clay feel, what are my options for colors - the base 60 they have in the catalogue, or arbitrary CYMK?

 

[Larold]

If you don’t want a no mold option here are the 4 mold options but on polyclay chip only :
View attachment 1243932

Yup - I'm 99% I'm after the one on the far left. Just trying to figure out what my color palette can be. Thank you for all of the help - this really gets me off to a solid start. Do you happen to know (sorry if I already asked) how much a Poly Clay chip weighs?

 

[Fran]

Around 9,5g