Are higher end poker coaches or bootcamps worth the investment? (1 Viewer)

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I saw Wolfgang promote a bootcamp run by his former coach which would last 10 days and cost $3,900.

I also saw some other poker professional offering higher end (in the 1000's) but long lasting coaching for a few months.

Has anyone ever worked with a poker coach? What has your experience been?

To be it seems like high prices lol but I also play for fun and suppose this investment to professionals is worth it if they are making a living from poker.
 
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My initial thought is anything advertised by the poker vloggers I’d be pretty skeptical about it, especially the wolfgangs and rampages of the world. Most poker player stereotypes are hustlers of some time type with questionable ethics/morals, so they’d happily sell you $x,xxxx amount. Doesn’t mean that course is actually worth it though, it’s just the premium they think they can extract.

Wolfgang is popular because of his edited shorts, not because he’s a crusher.

I’ve considered it on and off, but I play so infrequently and at relatively small stakes it doesn’t make sense for me.

I watch quite a lot on youtube, so I’d recommend starting there first since there’s so much content, and find some folk that talk through the why of their action, pros/cons etc. I’m at the point where I can generally say what their recommended next step should be and I’m roughly right on bet/fold/raise amount etc.

I like hungryhorse, jonathan little, and blackrain79poker. Brad Owen is entertaining for me to watch since he does a good job talking through his thinking on his hands without obnoxious extra graphics, and also shows his loses. I like some of Charlie Carrel’s video’s, but ultimately they are just an advert for his poker coaching course, and lots of his ‘secrets’ are only available if you pay, and then according to reddit there’s even more paywalls within the course to get the ‘ultra ultra secret live tells tips’ etc.

If you want to do it, pick a course suited to your stakes, I think Jonathan Little does small stakes, and Phil Galfond also offers coaching.

Anyway, good luck - do your research (2+2 or reddit will give insight if it’s worth it) - but if you play for fun, I’d say stick to the free stuff or buy a few books will be much cheaper.
 
Crush Live Poker on YouTube reviews hands that players call in with. Start there and see what you can pick up before sinking money into a coaching program. I’m not a “professional” card player and don’t rely on poker for my income. To me, it doesn’t sound like it is worth the money, especially with all the content available online and in books.
 
So many things this could depend on. For example:
  • What stakes are you playing now?
  • What stakes do you hope to play in the future?
  • How often do you play?
  • Are you playing mainly live or online?
  • How skilled are you in relation to your fields?
  • How does the cost of the coaching relate to your bankroll?
If you are currently playing 1/2 or 1/3 just once or twice a week on a $10K bankroll, I can't see spending almost 40% of your roll on coaching.

Especially since the main strategy at low stakes is not going to involve high-level theory and fancy plays. It's going to be mainly finding juicy tables full of fish and just exploiting them to the max—in ways that you can learn easily from books and YouTube videos.

If on the other hand you are already playing higher, have a bankroll which can shell out $4K without blinking, are contemplating moving up and going pro... Well then I suppose maybe some formal coaching might be worth it, if only as a reality check on your dream.

If you could find a sympathetic and non-skeezy coach who truly wants to work with you to improve (not just cash your checks), I would suggest rather than blowing the whole $4K immediately on a bootcamp, that instead you buy 2-3 short sessions with the potential coach and try him/her out before committing to any longterm relationship.
 
I e found over the years that it’s good to have a card playing buddy you can discuss things with. I’m sure just that has made me a better player.
 
Yes, on all levels.

Learning & Education, can’t hurt.

The price point for the that education is for you to determine.

Just like chip acquisition, always get samples before making your purchasing decision.
 

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