1-2 game, River overbet, what do we do. (1 Viewer)

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1-2 game at casino, hero in seat 9 bought for $300, has run up to $700 in about 3 hours, shown down 4 or 5 hands of top pair or two pair for wins and the rest were bet take downs. Playing reasonably tag. Villain in seat 7 has $450, shown big check-raise tendencies by overbetting turns and taking down pots.

Hero is 2 off button. looks down at Jd10h. Villain limps, seat 8 limps, hero limps, small blind and big blind limp. Flop comes 3c, 10s, Jc. Checks to hero. We bet a full pot $10 at the wet board. BB calls, Villain calls.

Turn card As, BB checks, Villain checks. Hero bets 3/4 pot 30. BB folds, Villain flats.

River Js, giving us Jacks full of 10s, Villain checks. Hero value bets for 30 again. Villain looks down at his hand and overshoves all in for $410 effective. What do we do? And what could we have done differently in this hand.
 
If he has AA or AJ why would he want to blow you off your hand? He has no reason to think you are this strong or capable of making a huge over pot sized bet call.
 
Your statement od what could we have done differently indicates that you lost the hand. Not a great way to post this as it influences decisions. See some recent PAHWM threads I did as an example of how to post strat threads.

You could raise JTs pf but other than that, you are in this hand the whole way. I'm betting more on the flop, especially in a 1/2 game. People don't pay attention to pot sizes and $20 here is still a typical flop bet. Bet almost a full pot on river. Backdoor spades got there as well so you can size up. Call river. Rebuy.
 
Folding here seems dubious at best, foolhardy at worst.

Hero made a villain read that says this villain likes to take down pots with oversized check raises. Ok - - so here we are. Hero has a huge non-nut hand and villain over bets all-in as a check raise. Not folding, this is more like a fist pump snap call than a fold.

The rest of the streets matter. Hero might feel the only decision is the last one, but that is not true. Maybe a preflop raise would be better, maybe not. The flop bet could be bigger.

In the end Hero is not folding out hands like AA or AJ. Hero can't avoid a whipping, if in fact that happened.

DrStrange
 
If hero is beat it's probably AJ. Villian might be going for max here, but if there is even a shred of possibility villian is bluffing the river here the fold is terrible.

I am guessing that's how the story ends since the OP wants advice how to play this differently.
 
Villain could be shoving:

AA (unlikely given how this hand played, but possible)
AJ (possible)
KsQs (I think that’s his hand)

These all beat you. But he could also be shoving:

1010
33
J10
KsXs (or other flush)
A bluff (a non-zero probability given your read)

There’s enough hands here that you beat or chop with that I think calling is right.
 
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wonderpuddle said:
Villain could be shoving:

AA (unlikely given how this hand played, but possible)
AJ (possible)
KsQs (I think that’s his hand)

These all beat you. But he could also be shoving:

1010
33
J10
AsXs
A bluff (a non-zero probability given your read)

There’s enough hands here that you beat or chop with that I think calling is right.
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He can’t have AsXs as the As is on the board. But all the other hand Hero beats are plausible for sure.
 
Why did you downbet every single street? It shows increasing fear and weakness every street. As villain, I'm not going all in but I'm re-popping you pretty hard on that river bet of yours with any two cards in my hand.

I'm calling shove as hero though either way.
 
I don’t think we should be always calling this off...and never a snap decision. It’s a huge river shove into our value heavy range. Tank and try to get live read see if he become more or less comfortable as we anguish? Randomize and call it off...60% of time or so?
 
I've had boats cracked before. If in that situation, there'd be no way I could get away from it though.
 
If Villain has KQss for the royal flush he played it badly on the turn. At that point he has the nut straight on a double flushing board. Yes he has the nut flush draw on one side but if either one comes in it could kill his action or cost him the pot. A board pairing card could also kill his action.

Hero bet flop and turn why not raise with the nuts here? Villain has a much better chance of getting his stack in on the river building the pot on the turn.

So while KQss is possible I would discount it a lot because of the way the hand was played.
 
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Payback said:
Your statement od what could we have done differently indicates that you lost the hand.
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I assumed he folded to aggression and was asking how he could avoid getting in that situation again of being jammed on.... I guess that's still a loss...
 
I don't think villain has KQss here. As I'm pretty sure that he be raising the turn. Feels like AJ.
 

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