Kobe Bryant Helicopter Crash (1 Viewer)

[Moxie Mike]

While not convicted, he did later publicly acknowledge the sexual encounter may not have been consensual...

I'd never seen this before. Thanks for sharing.

I realize that this isn't the time for skepticism, but I can't help but point out how carefully worded this is.

She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.

I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.

These two remarks make it quite clear that issuing this statement was part of her terms for dropping the legal case and the negotiations of the out of court settlement in the civil case had probably already been worked out. The whole thing reeks of narcissism and seems like a PR play to begin rehabbing his public image. He didn't even go 2 sentences before making it about him.

 

[justsomedude]

Yeah, sounds like he's such "a big person to admit this". The blatant accepted misogyny in our society simply baffles me sometimes.

Well, this thread just took a turn to Kooky town.

 

[BELGRADE]

 

[trigs]

Did you even read his statement? He said "No money has been paid to this woman". She refused to use his above statement in the court of law, AND also refused to testify against him. I wonder why....?

Here is the bottom line, and I hope this ends all comments about this. The only two people that know exactly what happened in that hotel room is Kobe and the 19 year old. One of them is now dead, and if Kobe truly did rape that girl, then he is now burning in hell. We will never know.

What we do know is a Father/Husband is gone, along with a 13 year old Daughter/Sister. That family will never be the same.

Yes I read the statement. That's a little condescending btw. The civil suit she filed was settled out of court i.e. he paid her off.

 

[Polochris]

Yes I read the statement. That's a little condescending btw. The civil suit she filed was settled out of court i.e. he paid her off.

Your opinion, not mine.

 

[trigs]

Not having any more situations come out in over 15 years, maybe he’s earned some benefit of the doubt?

So what about what the rape victim has to deal with for the rest of her life? I guess it's all good since we haven't heard about him raping anyone else.

Again, he was amazing at basketball.

 

[slisk250]

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looks like he was about to bust out of this tourney.

 

[FordPickup92]

And now Allison Morris backtracking what she CLEARLY said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1221557258284404736

Mam...you most definitely did not say nakers....
Sad of the news here, hope the family can find peace

 

[Jeevansluck]

Mamba out. RIP. What sad news... I'm completely shocked...

Me too. I waited and waited for it to be fake or a hoax. I really admired Kobe.

It's a huge loss. Just too tragic it hurts. I'm still not fully accepting this has happened.

Im really feeling it for his family left behind.

RIP Kobe

 

[Frogzilla]

So what about what the rape victim has to deal with for the rest of her life? I guess it's all good since we haven't heard about him raping anyone else.

His statement that you considered “admitting rape” was that the situation was completely consensual. I have no knowledge of what happened and neither do you. My point was that the last 15 years gives his side of the story more credibility.

 

[Polochris]

His statement that you considered “admitting rape” was that the situation was completely consensual. I have no knowledge of what happened and neither do you. My point was that the last 15 years gives his side of the story more credibility.

There is no point in arguing with @trigs He probably thinks Jussie Smollett is a victim as well! Ha!

 

[One Eyed Dollar]

A co-worker just told me about a post on facebook yesterday by a friend of hers who used to be an editor at the Rocky Mountain News. He was lamenting the media's role in scrutinizing the girl who was raped and dragging her name through the mud until she backed out of the criminal trial. And there was a comment from the prosecutor of the case that he was clearly guilty and they had the case locked up until she backed out and they lost their witness.

 

[rowlin]

Please change the title of this thread to reflect the topic being discussed.

 

[Jeevansluck]

This thread is nothing more now than

 

[Polochris]

A co-worker just told me about a post on facebook yesterday by a friend of hers who used to be an editor at the Rocky Mountain News. He was lamenting the media's role in scrutinizing the girl who was raped and dragging her name through the mud until she backed out of the criminal trial. And there was a comment from the prosecutor of the case that he was clearly guilty and they had the case locked up until she backed out and they lost their witness.

A prosecutor saying the defendant is clearly guilty?! Shocker.

 

[JRReynolds6181]

Barry Sanders is the greatest RB of all time and he has zero stains on his record. He never even spiked the ball!

Kobe was Mt Rushmore of NBA up there with all the other greats. Horrible news that he died and very sad that his 13 year old daughter died. He sounds like he was a great dad.

 

[shorticus]

The fact that a man died who has done so much good is this world is now being talked about for one alleged negative incident is very bothersome to me. I’m going to unwatch this thread cause it’s disturbing to me.

If he was guilty, I’m not at all excusing the behavior, but this is a microcosm of why our society continually struggles to grow.

This is absolutely pathetic.

 

[One Eyed Dollar]

Sorry if I'm put off by the comments about him being a great husband (remember his wife's giant ring during that time?) and blaming his accuser. As my wife put it in a text:

Damn. That's how it usually goes. That's why women don't report. I don't understand the argument that they were looking for fame or something from a false accusation. Why would you want that kind of attention? Her life is ruined, her reputation is trashed.

One of her close friends was raped as a teenager, and it affects her friend to this day, every day. Sorry if I can't sweep this under the rug so easily because he was great at basketball.

 

[trigs]

Forget it. He was a great basketball player for sure.

 

[ChipEnvy]

His statement that you considered “admitting rape” was that the situation was completely consensual. I have no knowledge of what happened and neither do you. My point was that the last 15 years gives his side of the story more credibility.

Not how I read his statement but that’s fine. I haven’t even fact checked that he even made that statement but whatevs. A hypothetical question though... Likewise, if the girl hasn’t claimed rape since, wouldn’t that give her side more credibility?

I’m trying my best to stay out of this (and failing miserably obv). I was shocked to hear the news, but I didn’t know the guy. He was a top 5 player of all time imo and a great loss to the game of basketball.

I hope his family finds peace with the unbelievable loss that they must be feeling for both a father and sister.

I admire Kobe in the same way I admire Tiger (although I admire Tiger for his ability much more)... They are amazing at what they do professionally. We should try to refrain from saying “He was a good guy” because he donated to charity and showed up to an elementary school where someone’s child we know went to school. Likewise, we shouldn’t say “Dude was a rapist” because we just don’t know for sure.

It’s not for us to judge, accuse or defend.

 

[Moxie Mike]

I don't understand the argument that they were looking for fame or something from a false accusation. Why would you want that kind of attention? Her life is ruined, her reputation is trashed.

Your wife sounds like a nice, well-adjusted person. Good for her.

But if I were speaking to her directly, I would politely say to her that not everyone in this world is as kind and noble as she is - and professional athletes are high-value targets for blackmail. There are countless stories of extortion attempts around the web that you can read about if you're so inclined... and while the details vary they all have a central theme: opportunistic women looking for a quick payday.

 

[One Eyed Dollar]

Your wife sounds like a nice, well-adjusted person. Good for her.

But if I were speaking to her directly, I would politely say to her that not everyone in this world is as kind and noble as she is - and professional athletes are high-value targets for blackmail. There are countless stories of extortion attempts around the web that you can read about if you're so inclined... and while the details vary they all have a central theme: opportunistic women looking for a quick payday.

Blackmail? She went to the police... that makes no sense in this case. And false accusations of rape are quite rare.

But anyway, I'm moving on. Unsubscribing to the thread.

 

[dennis63]

And false accusations of rape are quite rare.

As a retired police officer who investigated crimes, including rape, for a living, I can say the quote above is not accurate. False accusations of rape are not "rare." I wish they were, as it would make life easier for victims.

Some time ago, the FBI estimated that four rapes actually occur for every one that is reported to the police, and three out of four victims never go to the police; and

Many people falsely report for a variety of reasons. So many false reports are made that in the police academy we learned that as many as half the reports of sexual assault made to the police are false reports, made by someone who has a reason to lie and make a false claim. I was stunned when I heard this. Sadly, my experience showed me that it is a pretty close estimate.

The truth is, too many true victims suffer in silence, and too many crazy (or just plain evil) people accuse someone falsely.

 

[DMack]

I was able to read the reports of this ALLEGED incident. There were quite a few highlights that would make the Kobe haters maybe second guess what they think occurred. I know everyone grieves differently, but I don’t know how many “victims” grieve by bragging of the size of their alleged rapist’s utensil.

As for the false rape accusations being “rare,” I have no clue where you heard that. There are COUNTLESS instances of of false claims. As Dennis so perfectly put it, it’s all those false claims that take away from the true victims of those horrific crimes.

There’s no doubt Kobe was a serial cheater, but after reading the reports there’s no way I would call him a rapist (or even anything close). Hopefully his cheating was put on the back burner many years ago. A few things no one can argue: He was probably the most fierce, driven competitor that ever lived, he was one of the GOATs, and he was an INCREDIBLE father. RIP, Mamba.

 

[1A25R]

Kobe Bryant remembrance came in all shapes and forms ...

Finish line at Schladming slalom (Austria)

 

[WedgeRock]

They're talking about retiring Kobe's number league-wide... Not sure which number, but I don't see how they do that without retiring #23. Love was great, but Jordan was greater.

They're also talking about changing the NBA logo to a silhouette of Kobe...

Both ideas are knee jerk reactions, IMO.

 

[BarrieJ3]

They're talking about retiring Kobe's number league-wide... Not sure which number, but I don't see how they do that without retiring #23. Love was great, but Jordan was greater.

They're also talking about changing the NBA logo to a silhouette of Kobe...

Both ideas are knee jerk reactions, IMO.

I agree, but I think even down the road they still may contemplate either or. There’s the whole “tragic” component of it, him being that young and all. I know I’m wrong and someone will point out the hole or flaw, but I’ve never personally seen so many contemporaries and greats affected by one person’s passing. MJ, Prince, Heath Ledger, Stan Lee, Stephen Hawking, Steve Irwin, plenty of impactful people have passed and there was an outpouring of support, but this just seems to be on a whole other level (may just be my sphere of influence).

I will say this, had he lived to a solid age, I personally think that Kobe’s overall body of work in lifetime achievements and post career impact on the game would have (very) far outweighed Jordan’s (even with the latter being in ownership/front office). Nothing against Jordan, but Kobe’s reach and interests were spreading through the game and beyond akin to what we see in the NFL with Parcells, Bellichek, etc. coaching trees.

 

[Moxie Mike]

I know I’m wrong and someone will point out the hole or flaw, but I’ve never personally seen so many contemporaries and greats affected by one person’s passing. MJ, Prince, Heath Ledger, Stan Lee, Stephen Hawking, Steve Irwin, plenty of impactful people have passed and there was an outpouring of support, but this just seems to be on a whole other level (may just be my sphere of influence).

I'm in the minority on this one, but I've never thought of Kobe as a transcendent athlete the same way Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan is/was, and I still don't now that he's gone. He was the best basketball player of his era, and better in his prime than today's NBA elite IMO. To me though - and maybe it's just because I'm old enough to have seen the career arc of many world class athletes from Jordan to Albert Pujols to Michael Phelps - but to me while Bryant is certainly in the conversation, he falls a little short of the short list of athletes or celebrities who change the game or even society like Woods or Serena Williams have.

To your point, I haven't seen this much grief over the untimely death of a public figure in a very long time - and I suspect the shocking and tragic circumstances under which he lost his life have a lot to do with that. The connected nature of today's society also are a factor - we all literally found out about this the same way - at exactly the same time. Early Sunday afternoon we heard a rumor. But we didn't want to believe it and we held out hope that it was a hoax and had good reason to - there have been many similar hoaxes before in the age of the Internet. But this time it was confirmed, and the story become increasingly tragic as the afternoon unfolded.

I think you have to go back to the death of Princess Diana in '97 and prior to that Kurt Cobain in 1994 to find a similar reaction like this. But those were different times.

 

[12thMan]

I don’t think any NBA brass is seriously considering changing the logo or retiring two numbers league wide. The “they” who are talking about it is just the internet.

If 23 is not retired league wide 8/24 won’t be, if the nba logo is not the jump man it won’t be Kobe.

 

[BarrieJ3]

If you look at the publications, writings, player/coach op eds before this event, Kobe and Jordan’s stature and importance to the league were very different. While Jordan is and always will be Jordan, the player, the movement, the brand, the original best ever to play the game, he simply didn’t carry with him a connection to the league like Kobe has.

Now I understand that Kobe just got out, but I don’t think that matters. “Detail” was years in the making, something he wanted to do long ago. If he doesn’t pass, there’s no way in ten years that I think Jordan holds a candle compared to Kobe in terms of being an ambassador of the league. Kobe would have had fingers and connections to almost every team, he would of been working with owners and players association, he would presented and sat in on competitive committees. Jordan is a businessman and an idol, rarely referenced by modern players/coaches/etc. outside of the those scopes. He left his mark as a player. I’m all for retiring 23 league wide years ago, because as a player he deserves that. If we ever move on from “The Logo”, it would be a lol shame to use jumpman over a Kobe or Lebron, students and continued ambassadors.

edit: this is not coming from a huge fan of Kobe. I was actually more excited about his post career than I was at most times in his playing career as he destroyed my clippers and 2001 sixers.