Winning or losing player overall (1 Viewer)

[DrStrange]

Anyone who has a reasonable volume playing Vegas table games in the current era and thinks they are a over-all winner likely has faulty records / memory.

Sure, my wife has a winning record at craps. about 15 minutes played lifetime, up less than $100. She played once after a learn to play craps class at the Golden Nugget. You can be sure I don't have such a record.

There are likely "MIT" style blackjack players who got ahead 40 years ago and are still keeping a winning record. More so due to the lifetime bar they got from the casinos.

These are all house advantage games which the casino industry works tirelessly to keep that way. Maybe you can play perfectly at blackjack. Perhaps taking the 10x odds every time at craps. But still the house edge is there and as irresectable as gravity.

You can beat poker. You can beat the sports book. Profit at horse & dog racing. Be better, smarter than the other participants, enough so to overcome the rake - - and win the money.

But you aren't beating the table games over any appreciable measure of time.

Don't kid yourself -=- DrStrange

 

[StanMahogany]

Probably about break even. 99% o losing players just quit before they hit it big.

 

[louBdub]

If you’ve bought nice chips and host upgrades…..

You’re in the red…. I don’t care how much you’ve won at a table

But we all win at life, because it’s all about the memories

 

[Darson]

I felt like a winning player but it was almost impossible for me to keep track as my wife would regularly help herself to cash from my roll.

About September last year I told her I’m starting to track my play so not to touch my roll or if she does to put the same back as she took out. I was down about 50% by the end of last year and now up about 30% from my initial roll. I’m going to keep tracking like this to find out the answer for sure.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Cash Up
Tournaments Down

 

[Taghkanic]

My brutal downswing continued today… Dealt pocket kings twice, same villain both times, older guy who does not seem to know what he’s doing:

————-
Button straddle 2BB
BB Call
UTG Call
Hero raises to 13BB in cutoff with KK
Only UTG calls
30 BB in pot
Flop 345 rainbow
UTG checks
Hero raises 25 BB
UTG shoves
Hero calls
Turn 6
River J
UTG shows K2o

(KK vs K2o was 95% favorite pre, still 70% even with that flop)

————

Same villain opens in middle position for 6 BB
Hero raises to 20 BB with KK
Villain calls
Flop 963 again rainbow
Villain donk shoves with AQo (???)
Hero calls
Turn A
River A

(76% pre, 87% on flop)

What the fucking fuck. I’m starting to doubt everything I thought I knew about poker

 

[greenchip]

Loss, RTP (my guess) are:

90% for cash
0 for tourneys

 

[BPTDirector]

If you’ve bought nice chips and host upgrades…..

You’re in the red…. I don’t care how much you’ve won at a table

But we all win at life, because it’s all about the memories

As usual Lou you are right on target with this statement. Almost all (99%) of what I thought I was ahead has been blown on chips and setup costs over the years.

 

[Highli99]

Cash Up
Tournaments Down

This

 

[bergs]

Slightly up lifetime at casino NLHE

Slightly up lifetime at meetups (3 big losing sessions wiped out 15+ winning sessions)

Up lifetime at home games

Embarrassingly down at casino limit games. I think if I showed up and didn’t know any of the games and how they were played I’d be down less. 2023 was an unmitigated fucking disaster.

Down enough at WSOP tourneys and cash games that I’m never going again without friends and just trying to have fun rather than grinding.

Lifetime low-5 figures loser. Mid-4 figures winner if I take out WSOP.

It’s tough to get a home game going out here and I have a brutally bad record in AZ casino play and not really finding it fun anymore for the most part. I’ve cut back my play 90% as a result, just focusing on meetups at this point.

 

[DoubleEagle]

Cash: Up pretty big
Tournaments: Down pretty big

 

[l33tf0b]

Cash - up! Try different playing styles TAG / LAG and harness the pros and cons. More variance with LAG but overall more fun and bigger rewards. TAG when u need to pay the rent or something and grinding style.

Bankroll management and patience is key to winning

 

[SteveEH]

Poker boom:

- Ran free $50 online up to $400
- Vegas live play - ran $400 up to 10K
- Vegas run bad at 2/5 - lost 2500
- Vegas play bad at 2/5 - lost 2500

Post Boom:

- Live run bad then play bad at 1/2 - lost 3K

Now I only play home games where the money isn't material because...

I enjoy the game and fondling/looking at chips vs. the stress of material amounts of money making it feel like a job.

 

[Jbor]

about break even player

 

[Grant]

Up, but not up so much that you shouldn't invite me to your meetup.

 

[FordPickup92]

Slightly up lifetime at casino NLHE

Slightly up lifetime at meetups (3 big losing sessions wiped out 15+ winning sessions)

Up lifetime at home games

Embarrassingly down at casino limit games. I think if I showed up and didn’t know any of the games and how they were played I’d be down less. 2023 was an unmitigated fucking disaster.

Down enough at WSOP tourneys and cash games that I’m never going again without friends and just trying to have fun rather than grinding.

Lifetime low-5 figures loser. Mid-4 figures winner if I take out WSOP.

It’s tough to get a home game going out here and I have a brutally bad record in AZ casino play and not really finding it fun anymore for the most part. I’ve cut back my play 90% as a result, just focusing on meetups at this point.

Maybe the casino should let you bring the sippy

 

[wickedwonka121]

Overall wining. What really improved my game was learning how to play against beginners and unpredictable players. They are hard to read in most cases just gamble most hands. One time I remember I talked a beginner into showing me their hand. I shoved and they called. They were gambling. I was bluffing. I learned that day lol. Raise those premium hands. Avoid going heads up with the veterans at the table unless you are favored to win. Don't go all in on a gamble. You'll continue to tick upwards in your winnings.

 

[bergs]

Maybe the casino should let you bring the sippy

Tip the waitress $5 a drink and they’ll bring you almost anything you want

 

[Lil Tuna]

 

[allforcharity]

Tournament: SOY UN PERDADOR, I'M A LOSER, BABY, SO WHY DON'T YOU KILL ME

Cash: slight loser to even money

 

[potatolei]

winning in poker, down bad in blackjack

 

[Schmendr1ck]

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These pictures prove that you are a winning player - even if you suck at poker (which, trust me, you don't).

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I've been playing poker for almost 15 years.

Since January 1, 2024, I'm a winning player. PBT tells me so.

 

[SeanGecko]

I used to be winning and then I stopped keeping track. It's mostly just a hobby so it's still fun.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Honest answer is that my tracking has been very spotty in home games over the past few years. I'm in it more for hanging out with friends and improving my game.

I rarely play in casinos/cardrooms anymore because the ones closest to me just don't have good games and aren't very enjoyable. My time is more valuable than grinding out a couple hundred on a Saturday night playing against HHJ-chasing misregs and paying 6+2 rake for the privilege.

I can say that I tracked much more carefully a few years ago, and from 2011-2018 I booked low five figures of profit, mostly from when 2-5NL around here was super soft and I was better than most players in my local room. That's probably no longer the case.