When did this community become so ??? (1 Viewer)

[gopherblue]

I thought this was my new word for the day, but it seems to be out of context :

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Fat fingered too many L’s.

 

[slisk250]

Wow, David O is like the nicest guy on this board (or at least on the short list.) When you get him upset maybe it’s time to tone down the rhetoric.

David O = PAZ

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[gopherblue]

David O = PAZ

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...Paulsons are to TRK as...

 

[superchromix]

You can’t unown your statements and you’re trying to be cute with what you’ve said. You conveniently elide your wholly unsupported statement that prior to the GB becoming public, GB members were dropping other chipsets on other members at inflated prices and that those that bought from GB members lost a fortune. That is simply NOT the case. And I’m still waiting for some proof—any—that the GB had an impact on the chip market. Prices and sales before, during and after the GB prove you wrong.

There is plenty to criticize about the GB. This, however, is a figment from a dark corner of your imagination.

This is tedious and pedantic. I’m done responding to you as it is clear you simply want to stir the pot.

Dude, what are you talking about. Read the thread. If you want to talk about posts from a different thread, post a link, and we can discuss in that thread.

If you want to debate the points I’ve raised in this thread, you are welcome to do so.

 

[Mr Tree]

I thought this was my new word for the day, but it seems to be out of context :

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Holy crap, that sounds like a hell of a start on the inlay of a new custom set though.

 

[gopherblue]

Dude, what are you talking about. Read the thread. If you want to talk about posts from a different thread, post a link, and we can discuss in that thread.

If you want to debate the points I’ve raised in this thread, you are welcome to do so.

Sigh. I have been directly quoting you ad nauseam:

New members were blatantly lied to during the whole time the boat chip group buy was going on. People who spent fortunes on used chips lost money because of those lies, [emphasis added] while some people inside the group buy made fortunes reselling chips.

I will no longer respond to you as your willful blindness is obviously intentional and intended to troll.

 

[JTBass]

It would be interesting if someone
that feels wronged would write what they expected to happen with the organization of the boat chip purchase. The reason why it was successful was because all of pcf was not aware of it. I would be interested to hear how it "should have been done". I was not in the GB.

 

[superchromix]

People who spent fortunes on used chips lost money because of those lies,

Finally we are getting somewhere. Yes, I wrote this in the thread above. Granted, this statement is dramatic, but it is essentially true. People who invested heavily in used chips, unaware that three hundred thousand new chips were about to hit the market, did lose part of the value of their investment, due to the laws of supply and demand.

The rest of my earlier statement refers to instances in which group buy members stated publicly that it was impossible to obtain new chips from GPI, and instances in which group buy members profited from the venture.

Is that basically clear? This is the source of the loss of trust, in my view.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

 

[ekricket]

I thought this was my new word for the day, but it seems to be out of context :

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Was this the Frithjof Star?

Sorry, sorry, it was just a joke. Lighten up Francis.

 

[Poker Zombie]

 

[Meddler2]

The reason why it was successful was because all of pcf was not aware of it.

This is true and confirms that the GB was a dubious venture that should never have been attempted since GPI had to be duped; legal or otherwise. It directly impacted vendors here and was achieved in poor taste imo but I don't harbor bad feelings towards the participants. Some people applaud the "success" but i view it as the exact opposite.

 

[BGinGA]

This is true and confirms that the GB was a dubious venture that should never have been attempted since GPI had to be duped; legal or otherwise. It directly impacted vendors here and was achieved in poor taste.

Lol

 

[JTBass]

This is true and confirms that the GB was a dubious venture that should never have been attempted since GPI had to be duped; legal or otherwise. It directly impacted vendors here and was achieved in poor taste imo but I don't harbor bad feelings towards the participants. Some people applaud the "success" but i view it as the exact opposite.

The question would be would you feel this way if you were asked to join from the beginning with the caveat to not speak publicly about cause it would jeopardize the GB in general.

 

[Meddler2]

Lol

Laugh all you want Dave but the fact is that if GPI knew they were ultimately selling to the home market they would have never produced the chips, threads and posts wouldn't have had to be removed to hide from prying eyes etc etc. and why the subsequent order was cancelled.

And if that's not the case Dave, why don't you try contacting GPI to see if they'll make a 3rd or 4th run of the chips for the PCF community.

 

[Meddler2]

The question would be would you feel this way if you were asked to join from the beginning with the caveat to not speak publicly about cause it would jeopardize the GB in general.

That is indeed the question isn't it. But I can assure you that if it was made clear to me that my silence was needed because various activities were afoot to trick GPI, then yes, that's a red flag that I hope everybody would recognize as something to reconsider and withdraw.
Let's ask site vendors how they feel and whether or not they saw a reduction in sales that they contribute to the GB. Instead, we had to stomach the hypocritical chastising of Josh for his marketing of the Gemaco promo chips.
Give me a f'ing break.

 

[pltrgyst]

.... People who invested heavily in used chips, unaware that three hundred thousand new chips were about to hit the market, did lose part of the value of their investment, due to the laws of supply and demand....
.... instances in which group buy members profited from the venture....

You know, I have to disagree with these arguments. And again, I was not an original GB participant.

IMO, since the GB, less than 20% -- way less -- of those GB chips have been sold to non-GB participants. Many, if not most of the transactions have been between GB buyers, as they sorted out their holdings, and balanced their holdings among earlier and later GB buys.

As to the loss of value of non-GB chips, I will make the claim here that it's pretty likely that no one has spent more money than I have on non-GB chips in the past five years, and I don't perceive any loss in the value of my holdings.

If you've been buying a ton of heavily used chips from places that are not historic gambling centers, say suburban Washington or Ohio casinos, then it's inevitable that those chips are going to lose value as more chips surface from newly closed or re-branded casinos in locations with more historic connections. If you've been buying newer chips from anywhere, the market has overall been climbing steadily. Those Ohio casino large denom chips are looking pretty good right now at $20 apiece. :

 

[Josh Kifer]

 

[Mojo1312]

Let's ask site vendors how they feel and whether or not they saw a reduction in sales that they contribute to the GB. Instead, we had to stomach the hypocritical chastising of Josh for his marketing of the Gemaco promo chips.
Give me a f'ing break.

I have been relatively quiet on the subject. I too, found the criticisms directed towards Josh distasteful in light of what took place.

 

[Mojo1312]

Holy crap, that sounds like a hell of a start on the inlay of a new custom set though.
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@Gunnar

 

[stocky]

I’d like to thank to community for providing examples itt

 

[Shaggy]

Finally we are getting somewhere. Yes, I wrote this in the thread above. Granted, this statement is dramatic, but it is essentially true. People who invested heavily in used chips, unaware that three hundred thousand new chips were about to hit the market, did lose part of the value of their investment, due to the laws of supply and demand.

The rest of my earlier statement refers to instances in which group buy members stated publicly that it was impossible to obtain new chips from GPI, and instances in which group buy members profited from the venture.

Is that basically clear? This is the source of the loss of trust, in my view.

Just because you regret your purchase does not mean the items you purchased lost value. Put them up for auction... I guarantee they will sell at or above your purchase price.

 

[MacGrad]

I’d like to thank to community for providing examples itt

 

[Poker Zombie]

...even with this discord, you'll find very few arguing that the boat was bad. They may be vocal, but it's about a half-dozen or so out of hundreds (thousands?) of members.

You cannot let <1% paint a picture of discord amongst the community. Even those that are (still) upset, are still pretty cool people outside of the sensitive topic and I would be happy to host them if they were in the neighborhood.

 

[MacGrad]

If i remember correctly, it was a lot more than just a half dozen or so people who thought the Boat purchase was a bad thing. However, a lot of people have tried to move on -- and having it continually rehashed in threads doesn't help that process.

Just because people aren't vocal doesn't mean they aren't upset...

(And for those who think I'm upset... I wasn't in the purchase, and I wouldn't have wanted to participate -- my sets don't see enough use as it is... but I saw the negative impact it had on the community, which was made worse by people on both sides of the issue. The fact that it is STILL being argued about means the community hasn't healed.)

 

[Poker Zombie]

But Stocky wouldn't see posts that aren't made, so they wouldn't add to the discord. And in my view, the Boat discord has not carried over into other topics. It only appears when the chips (or how they came to be) come up.

 

[MacGrad]

But Stocky wouldn't see posts that aren't made, so they wouldn't add to the discord. And in my view, the Boat discord has not carried over into other topics. It only appears when the chips (or how they came to be) come up.

I agree, but to Stocky's original point, it is a factor in today's community behavior.

My list on what impacted the community spirit was:

1. Member behavior during the last few Chip Room sales
Accusations and member shaming for monopolizing certain denoms and the near immediate flipping/profiteering on eBay

2. Boat Chips
Created a "Have"/"Have Not" scenario; the secrecy, while necessary, created bad feelings between some members that was fueled by very public and angry discussions. The community splintered, and another chip forum was created -- and the bad feelings continued as some members would insult those on the other forum.

3. Calling out "Scammers"
With sensitivities high in the forum, the Drumhoss debacle was another hit when he "took the money and ran" from a number of buyers. Because it took so long for people to notice/call out his behaviour due to the trust in the community, I think there's been an overcorrection and people are calling out potentially bad transactions a lot faster... While some might be valid, there's also been a few misunderstandings/miscommunications that required retractions.

There are a lot of good people on this forum, even though I might not have met any of them or done transactions with them... but my general impression of the forum has changed from what it was when I joined.

 

[Mojo1312]

...even with this discord, you'll find very few arguing that the boat was bad. They may be vocal, but it's about a half-dozen or so out of hundreds (thousands?) of members.

You cannot let <1% paint a picture of discord amongst the community. Even those that are (still) upset, are still pretty cool people outside of the sensitive topic and I would be happy to host them if they were in the neighborhood.

But Stocky wouldn't see posts that aren't made, so they wouldn't add to the discord. And in my view, the Boat discord has not carried over into other topics. It only appears when the chips (or how they came to be) come up.

Downplaying what transpired certainly doesn't speed up the healing process.

Being open and honest Mr. Zombie.

 

[Poker Zombie]

It's been 9 months. If you aren't healed by now, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Poker Zombie]

3. Calling out "Scammers"
With sensitivities high in the forum, the Drumhoss debacle was another hit when he "took the money and ran" from a number of buyers. Because it took so long for people to notice/call out his behaviour due to the trust in the community, I think there's been an overcorrection and people are calling out potentially bad transactions a lot faster... While some might be valid, there's also been a few misunderstandings/miscommunications that required retractions.

This I think, is the big thing right now. The Drumhoss situation was pretty egregious and now bad transactions are called out pretty quickly. This though, isn't exactly new, and has popped up from time to time. In the past, the name was usually withheld initially, and other members would call for an outing of the party failing to ship/pay/pack correctly. But it's been something I've seen, over and over since ChipTalk.