Jimulacrum
Full House
Ran into a weird ethical dilemma during an online cash game tonight. Four-game rotation, but the two stud games got put next to each other due to software learning curve. Years-old home game migrating to online temporarily. Game's 3/6 fixed limit, 4-bet cap but unlimited raises if you start the round heads-up.
We've just finished a round of Stud 8 and started Razz. Hand quickly whittles down to me and Villain, who is a relative newcomer the host has invited from another game. I don't believe I've ever met him in person, nor played with him online. It's semi-relevant that I've been getting hit with the deck (and playing well) all night.
Hand plays out pretty normally until fourth street. Villain takes a weird line considering he just got bricked. I suspect he doesn't realize the game has changed, but he slows down, so it's whatever. Generally speaking, I consider it fair game to be the beneficiary of someone not realizing the game has changed. But I would say that this spot is different.
On fifth street, he pairs his queen on board and starts reraising to infinity. He's technically not stone dead against me based on his board alone, but at best he's a very thin runner-runner draw, and based on what I'm seeing, he's likely holding a high hand that cannot possibly win. Strategically, the play is to keep raising. No question. It's about the best spot you can imagine in poker.
As you can see in the hand history, I slowed down at 6 bets. It just didn't feel right to take advantage beyond that point. I put in a bet on each round after that and let him raise it once. That felt justifiable. I had the best hand. It would've been silly to not bet my winning hand due to another player's misunderstanding of the game. But I couldn't make myself push it further than that.
Turns out he had QUADS, and he likely would have put his whole stack in the middle if I'd opened the door.
What do you all think? How would you handle this?
Names have been changed to protect the degenerate.
Game: Limit Razz (100 - 500) - Stakes 3/6 Ante 1
Seat 1: Player 1 (295)
Seat 3: Player 2 (110)
Seat 4: Host (217)
Seat 7: Villain (269)
Seat 8: Jimulacrum (630)
Player 1 posts ante 1
Player 2 posts ante 1
Host posts ante 1
Villain posts ante 1
Jimulacrum posts ante 1
** Hole Cards ** [5 players]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [6c 2d]
** 3rd Street **
Dealt to Player 1 [9s]
Dealt to Player 2 [As]
Dealt to Host [Jc]
Dealt to Villain [4d]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [7h]
Host brings in for 1
Villain raises to 3
Jimulacrum raises to 6
Player 1 folds
Player 2 folds
Host folds
Villain calls 3
** 4th Street **
Dealt to Villain [Qd]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [8h]
Jimulacrum bets 3
Villain raises to 6
Jimulacrum raises to 9
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum raises to 15
Villain calls 3
** 5th Street **
Dealt to Villain [Qh]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [5c]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum raises to 18
Villain raises to 24
Jimulacrum raises to 30
Villain raises to 36
Jimulacrum calls 6
** 6th Street **
Dealt to Villain [8d]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [3h]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum calls 6
** River **
Dealt to Jimulacrum [7c]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum calls 6
** Pot Show Down **
Villain shows [Qs Qc 4d Qd Qh 8d 8c] (Lo: QQ884)
Jimulacrum shows [6c 2d 7h 8h 5c 3h 7c] (Lo: 76532)
Jimulacrum wins Pot (168) with 76532
We've just finished a round of Stud 8 and started Razz. Hand quickly whittles down to me and Villain, who is a relative newcomer the host has invited from another game. I don't believe I've ever met him in person, nor played with him online. It's semi-relevant that I've been getting hit with the deck (and playing well) all night.
Hand plays out pretty normally until fourth street. Villain takes a weird line considering he just got bricked. I suspect he doesn't realize the game has changed, but he slows down, so it's whatever. Generally speaking, I consider it fair game to be the beneficiary of someone not realizing the game has changed. But I would say that this spot is different.
On fifth street, he pairs his queen on board and starts reraising to infinity. He's technically not stone dead against me based on his board alone, but at best he's a very thin runner-runner draw, and based on what I'm seeing, he's likely holding a high hand that cannot possibly win. Strategically, the play is to keep raising. No question. It's about the best spot you can imagine in poker.
As you can see in the hand history, I slowed down at 6 bets. It just didn't feel right to take advantage beyond that point. I put in a bet on each round after that and let him raise it once. That felt justifiable. I had the best hand. It would've been silly to not bet my winning hand due to another player's misunderstanding of the game. But I couldn't make myself push it further than that.
Turns out he had QUADS, and he likely would have put his whole stack in the middle if I'd opened the door.
What do you all think? How would you handle this?
Names have been changed to protect the degenerate.
Game: Limit Razz (100 - 500) - Stakes 3/6 Ante 1
Seat 1: Player 1 (295)
Seat 3: Player 2 (110)
Seat 4: Host (217)
Seat 7: Villain (269)
Seat 8: Jimulacrum (630)
Player 1 posts ante 1
Player 2 posts ante 1
Host posts ante 1
Villain posts ante 1
Jimulacrum posts ante 1
** Hole Cards ** [5 players]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [6c 2d]
** 3rd Street **
Dealt to Player 1 [9s]
Dealt to Player 2 [As]
Dealt to Host [Jc]
Dealt to Villain [4d]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [7h]
Host brings in for 1
Villain raises to 3
Jimulacrum raises to 6
Player 1 folds
Player 2 folds
Host folds
Villain calls 3
** 4th Street **
Dealt to Villain [Qd]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [8h]
Jimulacrum bets 3
Villain raises to 6
Jimulacrum raises to 9
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum raises to 15
Villain calls 3
** 5th Street **
Dealt to Villain [Qh]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [5c]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum raises to 18
Villain raises to 24
Jimulacrum raises to 30
Villain raises to 36
Jimulacrum calls 6
** 6th Street **
Dealt to Villain [8d]
Dealt to Jimulacrum [3h]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum calls 6
** River **
Dealt to Jimulacrum [7c]
Jimulacrum bets 6
Villain raises to 12
Jimulacrum calls 6
** Pot Show Down **
Villain shows [Qs Qc 4d Qd Qh 8d 8c] (Lo: QQ884)
Jimulacrum shows [6c 2d 7h 8h 5c 3h 7c] (Lo: 76532)
Jimulacrum wins Pot (168) with 76532
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