Cash Game Up to 4/8 limit and 1/1 NL/PLO set advice

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Hey guys,
Looking for some advice (trying to resist the urge to just buy ALL the chips). Once I can host again, our group (generally one 9h table but can have up to two 8 handed tables) plays lots of different games from 2/4 to 4/8 limit and single .25 or $1 blind NL/PLO.

This is what I have so far:
800x $1 HSI 1a
200x $5 IOC

Thinking about adding these:
+100 .25
+200 $1
+200 $5
+80 $25 (may relabel to $20)
+20 $100

Is this reasonable? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Question,are you making the $1 chips a value of $4 for the $4/$8 limit set? Basically each 1 is a value of X. If not there is no way 1000 chips is enough if you are playing 4/8 a cap bet would be 32 chips per street.

If playing them as a $4 chip It would work but I would try to 2 racks per player. More work horse chips and less value chips is better for monster limit stacks!!

The breakdown for you $.25/$.50 NL set looks good but 100 $.25 would be light for 2 tables of 8 players, 8 - 12 quarters per player is the general rule here. The rest looks pretty good!
 

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Thanks Ben. I should have mentioned, if we are playing 4/8 it's going to be the core group of 8 players tops on one table. If we have two tables it's generally a more novice mix and they like to play lower. The $1s would be face value but we would have $20/$25 value chips in play as well. I think I would be ok with you telling me I needed more $1s lol.
 

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Thanks Ben. I should have mentioned, if we are playing 4/8 it's going to be the core group of 8 players tops on one table. If we have two tables it's generally a more novice mix and they like to play lower. The $1s would be face value but we would have $20/$25 value chips in play as well. I think I would be ok with you telling me I needed more $1s lol.
Personally I would want 2 racks per player especially at $4/$8 for limit and 2 racks of value chips just incase things get juicy!

1,600 $1s would be golden there!

Our plan is for $1/$2 or max $2/$4 with this set... still have to turn the hundos into Ash St. $20s though
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We only have 1,200 work horse chips, 1,400 would be Ideal for mixed games with a 7 player max. 8 is better but you have to get artistic with the games and skipping burn cards, a few of the games one player has to sit out.
 

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Hey guys,
Looking for some advice (trying to resist the urge to just buy ALL the chips). Once I can host again, our group (generally one 9h table but can have up to two 8 handed tables) plays lots of different games from 2/4 to 4/8 limit and single .25 or $1 blind NL/PLO.

This is what I have so far:
800x $1 HSI 1a
200x $5 IOC

Thinking about adding these:
+100 .25
+200 $1
+200 $5
+80 $25 (may relabel to $20)
+20 $100

Is this reasonable? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
For limit, it does vary a little depending on if you are playing a 1 chip, 2 chip, 3 chip or a 4 chip game. Just to be clear in limit there are small bets, (pre-flop and flop bets) and Big Bets (Turn and River Bets) A 1 chip game would be where the game has 1 chip for the small bets. Normally (in a Card Room) they NEVER spread a 1 chip game as this would require them to have a different chip for the small blinds. I see a lot of guys here at PCF say they play 1 chip limit games in their home games. They have 2 big blinds or idk what ever and they say it works, but like I said this is NEVER done in a Casino or Card Room and there is a reason for this. I get it that people are trying to play games and limit the number of chips they buy so there is that... Anyway, a 2 chip game has 1 chip for the small blind, 2 chips for the big blind and the small bets are 2 chips and the big bets are 4 chips. 2 Chip games are rare in a card room. Games like 2/4 limit do exist, but are not common. 2 Chip games tend to play extremely small and neither players or Card Rooms tend to like these games. 3 and 4 chip games are what are most commonly seen in card rooms. Examples of 3 chip games that are relatively common in Card Rooms are like 3/6 limit with $1 chips or 6/12 limit with $2 chips or $15/30 with $5 chips and Examples of 4 chip games are 4/8 limit with $1 chips, $8/16 with $2 chips and $20/40 with $5 chips. Games can get much bigger too and usually they will be 3 or 4 chip games.

Rational behind why Card Rooms generally do not spread 1 & 2 chip games: (and why you shouldn't either)
There is actually a reason that Card Rooms don't do this much and once again it is that it just doesn't work all that well. Players like lots of chips on the table and so do Card Rooms. It makes for a better game for both good players, weaker players and for the Card Room too. More chips = more players see a flop = more bad play = more fun for everyone and = a better game for everyone. Think about it: You are a bad player: Do you want bigger pots and more people making mistakes by calling more frequently on multiple streets or would you rather have a tight tough game with every pot 3 bet preflop and only 2 people typically seeing a flop almost every flop? Now you are a good player: Ask yourself those same questions. How about the Card Room. Do they want lots of people coming and having a good time or do they want only a few people having any chance of winning and everyone else just quitting?

There was a reason for all that....
1 chip game - No way in hell I am ever spreading this game, but if you really gotta do it, I guess go for it and then after a while you can come back to me and tell me that I was right and that the game didn't really work all that well and your players didn't like it etc, etc...
2 chip games - Once again I wouldn't ever do it, but that is just me. If you are really on a budget and can only afford a minimum # of chips I could see the game working with 1 rack/player or maybe even less. For an 8 handed limit game you already have 800 $1 chips so even though I don't like it, it would work.
3 Chip games - Here I think you really need more than 1 rack per player. Probably not 2, but more than 1 so lets say 1.5 racks/player. For your 8 handed game 12 racks would likely work ok. More is always better, but with 12 racks you will be able to keep the game moving
4 Chip games - Here you really need at least 2 racks per player. I know this is a lot of chips, but if you don't have that many chips your game is going to go slow and people are going to be forced to be exchanging chip frequently - like after each hand. That is not something you want at all. I agree with Ben that if you are going to be playing 4/8 limit with $1 chips (which is the way it should be played) you really should have 1600 $1chips for your 8 handed game

The other games you are going to be playing require far less chips so there is really nothing to discuss about those games...
 

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Do note that a lot of members here like the "limit set" concept, where you have a ton of $1 chips and a modest number of $20 chips, and all bets are made using the singles. (Or for lower stakes: 25c for the betting chips and $5 for the value chips).

But don't feel like you need to use a "limit set" for limit games! You can spread limit games using a "normal" set of chips that works for both limit and no-limit, although you'll need more of the low-value chip (quarters or dollars, depending on your stakes) to cover both limit and no-limit than you'd normally have in a no-limit-only set.

I like a 3-chip limit structure, because it makes betting six chips (a raise on early streets, or a bet on later streets) easy: it's one single and one five, assuming you're using a set that has fives (a "limit set" would not).
 

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Do note that a lot of members here like the "limit set" concept, where you have a ton of $1 chips and a modest number of $20 chips, and all bets are made using the singles. (Or for lower stakes: 25c for the betting chips and $5 for the value chips).

But don't feel like you need to use a "limit set" for limit games! You can spread limit games using a "normal" set of chips that works for both limit and no-limit, although you'll need more of the low-value chip (quarters or dollars, depending on your stakes) to cover both limit and no-limit than you'd normally have in a no-limit-only set.

I like a 3-chip limit structure, because it makes betting six chips (a raise on early streets, or a bet on later streets) easy: it's one single and one five, assuming you're using a set that has fives (a "limit set" would not).
You could do this, but like everything there is actually a reason that the Card Rooms do it the way they do and that is to speed up the game. I do realize that how many hands you get in per hour or in an evening or what not is much less important in a home game than it is in a Card Room, it still makes the game much more enjoyable to have it move along as it should. If you do what you are talking about it is going to make for a much slower game as the stacks are not the same and then you have to take a lot more care in making sure everyone's bets are right.
 

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For $4/$8 limit, I’d just add a bunch more $5s, and maybe $10s if you willing to ditch the traditional 1-5-25-100 chip values. Sure, if it’s three bets to you that $25 may hit the pot with a raise, but how often does that happen?
 

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For $4/$8 limit, I’d just add a bunch more $5s, and maybe $10s if you willing to ditch the traditional 1-5-25-100 chip values. Sure, if it’s three bets to you that $25 may hit the pot with a raise, but how often does that happen?
I’ve played 3/6 and 4/8 limit games in a bunch of card rooms that do this ($1s/$5s and the occasional $25). I understand that a lot of places do the lots of chips thing but it seems to be presented here as THE way limit is played in a casino vs A way it’s played.

It really isn’t that hard for most people to put $1s and $5s together to make various larger numbers!
 
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