Cash Game Unbelievable card room rules

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  1. Nov 11, 2017 at 1:36 PM
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    Just finished a session in what must be the weirdest cardroom I’ve ever played at. Resorts world Sentosa, Singapore, which has the only legal poker room in the country.

    1. Verbal bets, checks and calls are not binding. Only chips placed beyond the betting line are binding. You can say raise and put out a call. Or call and put out a raise. To check you must tap the table.

    2. At showdown, they have this game marker with one side that says ‘Betting round’ - and the flip side that says ‘showdown’. At the river if a player bets and you call and reveal your hand and the marker is not turned over to the ‘showdown’ side, your hand is ruled dead. Even if you were the one who went all in and got a call, if you turn your hand over before the marker is flipped over your hand is ruled dead and the pot awarded to the other player. As long as you expose your cards before the showdown marker is flipped - dead.

    3. Raises. Any amount placed which exceeds the call amount is considered a raise. Say you’re facing a bet of $70 and you place $75 in front of you expecting the dealer to make change, it is considered a raise and action is back on to the initial bettor who can reraise if he wants to. Only applicable post flop play. Preflop it’s considered a call.

    4. All in. Again verbal not binding. If you announce all in, you have to wait for the dealer to place the all in button in front of you and you have to push your ENTIRE stack past the betting line in one motion.

    Can’t recall if there were other peculiarities. :confused:
     
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    As if those weren't enough...sheesh!
     
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    If you spit your gum out but it doesnt cross the betting line, do you avoid the cane? :)
     
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    Fuck me. Now I have to order some Showdown and Betting Round buttons. I wonder if Unique carries any...;)

    The rules concerning verbal actions may be an attempt to address language issues in a very international city.
     
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    I'm guessing that most of this is to accomodate many different languages around the table, right? No "English only" rule?
     
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    You mean you don't play those rules regularly? :eek:
     
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    I'd be gone in 5 min after noticing these rules
     
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    Curious about this one...

    Is the "raise" to $75 (on a $70 bet) allowed? Or does it indicate a min-raise to $140? In which case you must relinquish the other $65 in chips?
     
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    Chips play.
     
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    Very curious about this too. Since the word "call" does not indicate action (or it's equivalent in Indonesian, Malay, Japanese, Vietnamese, Khmer, etc. - this makes a lot of sense actually...) what does one do if he wants to call but does not have the correct chip denominations to do so? Hand a $100 chip to the dealer for change mid-hand???
     
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    $5 on top of the $70 is allowed. There’s no minimum raise amount.
     
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    How did you become aware of these rules? Hopefully not the hard way...
     
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    Now I remember another. No using phones at the table. No looking at it. I can’t even step away from quickly. Was told to walk to another area not too far away to read messages or take a call. Far enough to miss a hand/blind

    Very possible. Though most players spoke mandarin, or English.

    This was the weirdest one. The majority of players spoke mandarin, even the dealers.

    This was the most annoying thing among all. Either ask the dealer for change with your chips behind the betting line, or make change with another player. I had this guy on my right who would bet using all his smallest denominations then constantly make change when it was his turn to act.
     
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    Thankfully not! This one guy had his winning hand in a pot of $1200 mucked because he revealed his hand at showdown before the marker was flipped over (and went on about it the whole night warning other players to be careful)

    Oh and ANOTHER thing. At showdown, if the dealer himself asks you to reveal your cards, and you do, but the marker is still showing ‘betting round’ and not showdown, your hand is also dead.
     
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    So retarded
     
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    :LOL: :laugh: I see you’ve been to Singapore! Should have smuggled some gum in here from Malaysia.
     
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    The player who lost $1200 is lucky he didn't get caned.
     
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    Lol, that must literally be the most ridiculous rules I've ever heard used in a poker game.
     
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    In one of the two casinos in Singapore that take in a combined $4 Billion in revenue a year, it’s ridiculous they can’t get this right.
     
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    They’d probably argue that to the contrary with $4B/year they are doing everything right and if you don’t like it, get bent.
     
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    This makes sence. If you ever want to go all-in, you wouldn't want small denoms hampering your ability to shove all your chips in a single motion.

    Beyond that, I guess I can scratch Singapore off the list of card rooms I would ever want to visit... unless they had awesome chips (which I wouldn't know because I would need my phone for a pic).
     
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    Time to have @inca911 update the house rules, eh?

    The rules we are used to are in place because they keep things orderly. Obviously, this casino is dealing with different circumstances, and they are implementing rules to keep it orderly as well. Just because they are different from our rules doesn't make them wrong, especially given the different circumstances.
     
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    I totally agree with ^this^ view. Each of the rules make a great deal of sense in an environment where many different languages are spoken.* The casino has taken steps to totally remove the verbal aspect of the game, and all of the confusion that verbal actions can cause. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

    The bet/showdown button rule is a great example. The rule itself is solid, and can prevent many errors and misunderstandings by disallowing the showing of hands when inappropriate, often based on what a player 'thought' they heard at the table. It's the black/white no-logic enforcement of the rule that is in question, imo -- because that rule is totally irrelevant, once all action has concluded. Common sense and rule intent should be considered when making any ruling, and this one is no exception. But even if strictly enforced -- no player is ever at a disadvantage by merely following the rule. It very likely helps more than hurts in the larger overall view in this setting..


    * Except for the rule about not meeting what is 'normally' considered the minimum raise amount. Although realistically, there is nothing inherently ~wrong~ with setting the minimum raise amount at the value of the smallest chip in play. By allowing any raise amount, it takes the confusion/decision of "what's allowed" right out of the equation. It does not drastically alter the game, or establish any advantage or disadvantage for any player. It's just different than the rules typically used by most US players. When in Rome.....

    I would have no qualms about playing there, provided the rules are clearly made available to all players in their native language. It's an even playing field for all. In fact, it would be much preferable to an environment where players speaking a different language had an edge, merely because they understood the "house" language and I didn't.

    As the WSOP becomes more and more international in flavor, it wouldn't surprise me to see them adopt similar rules to help eliminate discrepancies caused by verbal actions, especially those by angle-shooters and non-English speaking players.
     
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    I have no problem with this rule. Play poker, or use the phone. Not both simultaneously.
     
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    Right? In everyday life, my phone is in my hand constantly (check my post count.) during poker, it stays in my pocket and I don’t miss it.
     
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    I almost always have my phone out. How else can I take constant pictures of my dwindling chip stacks :)
     
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    I actually kind of like these rules ....... I hate when mumblers rattle out something from their mouth and no one else knows what the hell they are saying or doing.

    No loss...phone use pisses me off. Someone is on their phone, then you have to recap what the bet is. You can look up busty women or well packaged men back in your room after the game is over.....and no one cares about how much you made or loss in the stock market....and no one cares what the score of your favorite sports team is ... and no one cares that U2 is coming to an arena near you.... and no one cares about the cute puppy video posted on your FB wall or your bestie just got a tattoo :mad:
     
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    Come to think of it, it does make a lot of sense to have clear cut physical actions instead of verbal actions to avoid disputes. Especially over here where disputes would require the room to refer to the cameras/eye in the sky. Beats having a 'my word vs his' type of argument.

    I didn't fall foul of any of the rules, the casino did make the rules pretty clear before you even sit down, with the exception of them not having a minimum raise amount. The phone thing was a pain, when out of a hand I think it's fine to step away from the table to check messages or the time (I don't wear a watch) instead of having to walk to a different 'phone friendly zone'. While in a hand or seated at the table, I like the no phone rule.

    The only thing I absolutely hate and would probably not go back there and play again is that the poker room is located in the smoking section of the casino and players will light up while seated right next to you. Usually 3-5 players will be smoking at any point of time.