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State of the Current Union/Chip Buying Advice (4 Viewers)

JMC9389 said:
I'm only going to say this once.

It's no coincidence that COVID cases have plummeted. We've been in hell for the past three months because people did not heed recommendations and got together for Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, etc. Large indoor gatherings in enclosed areas are ripe for transmission for this thing, especially if people aren't doing anything to prevent the spread of respiratory droplets. Think that the whole extended family of 20 to 25 people gathering at Grandma and Grandpa's 1500 square foot home for Thanksgiving and Christmas wearing no masks without a prayer of social distancing has a prayer of getting away from it even if only one person is sick? No way Jose. Then all those newly infected people go to work the next Monday and the following week go out to dinner somewhere, and everyone else they come across at those places gets sick. It's not rocket science.

Massive indoor gatherings with no ventilation=no bueno for COVID cases. If people stop gathering in large numbers and stay home except for doing the necessities, transmission and replication of the virus is going to slow down. If transmission and replication slow down, there's less of a likelihood of having to worry about new mutations like we're already seeing. The good news is that vaccines that are out now help to reduce the intensity of the illness even if someone vaccinated is exposed to a new mutation. Getting vaccinated can be the literal difference between life and death. It will make a potentially severe and deadly infection into a much more mild one because vaccinations bolster the immune response towards a specific microbe.

Another piece of good news is that cases are decreasing and that does not have anything remotely to do with vaccinations, IMO. Once more people are vaccinated and vaccines become more widely available, we're really going to be able to stomp this thing on the throat. This will only happen if people roll up their sleeves though.

As of last week, I've gone back to playing in person after almost 4 months off. When the pandemic started, the last live game I played in was March 7, and the last game I hosted was March 1. I started hosting again July 5 with mandatory face masks, no food at the table, hand sanitizer compulsory before sitting back down at the table, etc. and continued to host once or twice a month again until November 7, after which we stopped again after cases started to climb again. My regular group consists of guys in their 20's and 30's, and while we ourselves aren't generally high risk, most of us work pretty high risk for exposure jobs. I'm a nurse practitioner, two of the other guys work at schools, another is a lawyer that's gone back to the office to work, and while the other regular doesn't have a particularly high exposure job (he's a one man show mechanic), he takes care of his elderly parents. One of the other guys has Crohn's Disease and is on Humira and at a pretty high risk for severe illness. He hasn't been back at all since before the pandemic started but everyone else has.

That said, between cases going down (with R transmission numbers below 1 and a test positivity rate of 10%) and being fully vaccinated myself, I put out a feeler to the guys to start hosting again with the same precautions as last summer. I'm still going to require face masks and common sense. It's 50/50 right now on whether there's a game next week. Three (including me) have said they're 100% coming, three others are on the fence, and only the Crohn's guy is still holding out because he hasn't gotten his vaccine yet. If I can get just one of the 50/50 guys to come, I'll have a game. I'll play with 4. I'd just make it a dealer's choice cash game instead of a tournament or regular NLHE/PLO cash game.

Get vaccinated!
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I’m just going to say this once.

You don’t know shit. I can say this confidently because NOBODY knows shit. You can find an opinion or a doctor or a “scientist” that will say anything on either side of the argument. You BELIEVE a bunch of stuff, but if you have scientific evidence that proves you KNOW anything then you are holding out on the world and you have let a lot of people die.

So all these clusters just bloomed, and then instead of spreading like it normally does, all this people that wouldn’t quarantine before decided to quarantine on the exact same day and not spread it anymore. No tapering tail, nothing, the disease just quit transmitting anymore. It’s just weird is all,

I’m sure, no wait, I KNOW there is nothing nefarious behind it. it’s just natural disease progression like you say.
 
ekricket said:
I’m just going to say this once.

You don’t know shit. I can say this confidently because NOBODY knows shit. You can find an opinion or a doctor or a “scientist” that will say anything on either side of the argument. You BELIEVE a bunch of stuff, but if you have scientific evidence that proves you KNOW anything then you are holding out on the world and you have let a lot of people die.

So all these clusters just bloomed, and then instead of spreading like it normally does, all this people that wouldn’t quarantine before decided to quarantine on the exact same day and not spread it anymore. No tapering tail, nothing, the disease just quit transmitting anymore. It’s just weird is all,

I’m sure, no wait, I KNOW there is nothing nefarious behind it. it’s just natural disease progression like you say.
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I think we're agreeing here, but allow me to elaborate a bit.

I suppose my point, if any, is that there is nothing nefarious, as you say, about cases spiking in the holiday season and immediately after. I don't KNOW that's the reason why, but I think it's a reasonable deduction to make based on what I would expect to be typical human behavior during a holiday. I'm sure there are other factors that are driving case numbers down, but I don't believe that the vaccinations to date have any bearing on today's numbers at all.

If this year has taught me anything, it's that a lot of us know way less than what we think about what's going on around us. I'll be one of the first to admit that. I've lost count of the amount of times I've gotten COVID related questions from patients and their families, and my honest, no nonsense answer to them was "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to that" or "I'm sorry, I don't know".

Coming in here to sound like a know it all because I'm in the medical field was the last thing on my mind.
 
I'm a doctor, here is my diploma


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Eriks said:
And here I thought avoid spreading the desease was the point of social distancing. Good thing your group isn’t in danger of becoming seriously ill from it :rolleyes:
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I will continue to play. You can continue to do as you chose.

There has not been one instance, NOT ONE, of any transmissions of the disease because of our game(s). The cards will be in the air once again on Friday. Feel free to roll your eyes at that too.
 
It just looks to me like the science says it’s great to do whatever anymore in the US . But then people - doctors like you - say it’s still crazy dangerous and you shouldn’t be doing anything still.
It’s just weird that people are still getting onto others in a negative way for playing live when the data shows it’s good, at least in the US.
 
DMack said:
There has not been one instance, NOT ONE, of any transmissions of the disease because of our game(s). The cards will be in the air once again on Friday. Feel free to roll your eyes at that too.
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How the hell do you know that?

I drive 150mph to work every day, I haven’t caused a single accident so Ima keep doing that
 
JMC9389 said:
Get vaccinated!
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Bring out the pitchforks, but I’m going to pass. And I’m going to pass because of personal experience. Those I know (including those in my own home) who have had both COVID and the vaccine had much worse reactions from the vaccine than from COVID. My adopted sister coughed a few times when she had COVID. That was the extent. She got violently ill after receiving each dose of the vaccine. Scarily ill.

As for the dropping of cases, why were there not massive spikes of cases after the Super Bowl? I think @ekricket might be on to something. Just crazy how all of a sudden the massive drop. Who ever would have guessed...
 
Eriks said:
How the hell do you know that?

I drive 150mph to work every day, I haven’t caused a single accident so Ima keep doing that
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I’m not sure if other places have it, but in our area they do a thing called contact tracing...
 
David O said:
Ok I was going to let this go but one more time. Let's get the thread back on track. It is titled "State of the Current Union/Chip Buying Advice"

Keep this thread from going political. Final warning!
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Should be some good chips hitting the classifieds soon to gather funds for Jim’s new sale. Interested parties will be cleaning up their odds and ends and listing probably.
 
Will be really interesting to see what kind of secondaries Jack Cincy has. Promising that the $1's and snappers are THC :ninja:
 
I love it when you guys try to derail the arguments & Politics in a thread that is no where near the Politics forum...
Changster said:
I'm really looking forward to see if any Jacks Cincy secondary's have any THC chips in there.

We really need more minty THC and IHC chips to hit the market.
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Josh Kifer said:
I'm just gonna say this once.

Make chipping great again.
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