Cash Game SCROTUM angle shoot? (2 Viewers)

[timinater]

Here is the situation as told to me:

I had QQ, and led UTG preflop. Four calls. Flopped the Q. Bet. Two calls. Turns pairs the board. Bet, only Tyler calls. River misses the flush draw. I have two cards.

Check to Ty, he bets, I “tank” and then say you have three cards right?he spreads four, which I knew was what he had. I say “oh really? Then pot”.

For him to bet, he has to have a flush or boat with four cards. But if I thought he had three cards, that’s telling him I was worried about the pair on the board being a set for him. Which makes his hand good.

The oh really bet looks like a missed flush steal. And while a boat is in my range (he actually called QQ), that bit of lying made him think I was on the low end of my range.

He even said as much.

So, is pretending you didn’t know how many cards someone was playing in this circumstance an angle or not?

edit: to clarify the question.

 

[Saoliver]

He was angling. I thought cards have to be spread on the table?

 

[timinater]

We declare how many cards we’re playing and it’s information you are entitled to but we aren’t really strict on fanning cards.

 

[detroitdad]

I don't know if its angle shooting. If your doing that at a home game with friends it would feel dirty.

 

[BGinGA]

No angle-shoot by QQ imo, but yeah:

cards have to be spread on the table

Villain may have been illegally disguising his hand by showing only three of four hole cards.

 

[BGinGA]

"for him to bet, he has to have a flush or boat with four cards."

Or a straight flush or quads. A boat with QQ is not the nuts here. A re-pot would have been hilarious.

Playing 2-card hands in Scrotum is dumb.

 

[WedgeRock]

Not an angle for QQ. He was just stating information in a way that disguised his hand strength; Tyler interpreted the information exactly how QQ hoped he would.

 

[timinater]

As far as I recall I don’t believe Tyler was disguising his hand. I think the fanning was just to make it extra clear.

QQ says as much, that he’s clear/certain on how many cards Tyler is playing.

 

[franimal]

It’s on the angle spectrum. Not worth punishing, but some light mischievousness.

 

[JustinInMN]

This title belongs in the out of context thread.

 

[Quicksilver-75]

I read the title and instantly puckered up.

 

[moose]

Op is asking if the guy telling the story was angling by asking if Tyler was playing 3 cards when in fact he knew Tyler had 4. It has nothing to do with Tyler spreading his cards

IMHO the player is angling himself and really doesn't understand scrotum at all. As @BGinGA states, playing a pair is suicide. Trying to represent a 'missed flush' on a paired board against someone playing 4 is just silly. Dude could be up against a bigger boat, quads, a straight flush or even the royal flush. No one who has any clue is calling the pot bet with less than a boat.

 

[mike32]

At least I learned to stop playing 2 card hands in Scrotum!

 

[Frogzilla]

Not an angle but wtf is qq doing

 

[Jonesey07]

@MatB or @CraigT78 care to chime in?

 

[CraigT78]

@MatB or @CraigT78 care to chime in?

Holding just QQ was the first mistake.

 

[CraigT78]

Holding just QQ was the first mistake.

@BGinGA

 

[BGinGA]

Holding just QQ was the first mistake.

And KK isn't any better.

@MatB

 

[timinater]

Thanks for the thoughts on the hand... nobody is proclaiming to be scrotum whisperers over here. Just some buds playing some mixed games and having a few beverages.

We didn’t reach a consensus on an if this was an angle or not so this was just a temperature check for us on whether this constitutes an angle. Appreciate the responses thus far.

Since this isn’t a strat thread, I think we can put to rest the discussion about the merits of playing QQ here.

 

[Copper44]

This brings back memories...

 

[Highli99]

Did you jam after your speech? If so I think you did villain a favor. If he if ignored it and called anyway that's on him.

 

[v1pe]

If this is an angle it's a very small one. I don't see this really as any different than heads up table banter. Similar to saying something like "can you beat a full house?" after being raised and trying to get a physical reaction from the player. Simply some speech play or light bluffing.

 

[MatB]

And KK isn't any better.

@MatB

#stilltoosoon

 

[MatB]

Playing KK or QQ in Scrotum isn't ideal.

Playing in Scrotum 8 is not as bad. (not saying its great though)


"It gets down to what its all about doesn't it, making the wrong move at the right time..."

 

[timinater]

Did you jam after your speech? If so I think you did villain a favor. If he if ignored it and called anyway that's on him.

Luckily I'm neither the villain or the hero in this hand. Just an innocent bystander.