Tourney Ruling needed after dealer error (2 Viewers)

[Jimulacrum]

Some players will try to declare this a foul or misdeal, but (a) a foul (full rollback of all bets) happens when the deck is improperly constituted from the start, like two or something, and (b) a misdeal can only be called before significant action has taken place. Neither applies here, and it's important for game integrity.*

The hand must play on. Shuffle the contaminated stub thoroughly and deal it out as best you can. Random is random. It's unfortunate the discards got drawn into the stub, but this is the best solution.

Spoiler: *

The reason it's important for game integrity is simple. A dishonest person could strategically mess up the stub in situations where he (or a friend or accomplice) stands to get his money back after realizing he's beaten, and it would be easy to make it look like an honest mistake.

 

[buzzmonkey]

Right?? I can't see how it didn't.


Strangely, the floor person appears to have been standing right there when it happened.

Not sure there's much you can do after the next hand starts, but I'd be filing a complaint for sure. I blame the floor entirely. First for distracting the dealer with something that was irrelevant to the hand, then for not stopping the deal after the flop touched the muck.

 

[buzzmonkey]

Some players will try to declare this a foul or misdeal, but (a) a foul (full rollback of all bets) happens when the deck is improperly constituted from the start, like two or something, and (b) a misdeal can only be called before significant action has taken place. Neither applies here.*

The hand must play on. Shuffle the contaminated stub thoroughly and deal it out as best you can. Random is random. It's unfortunate the discards got drawn into the muck, but this is the best solution.

Only thing I can't find in the rules, since the flop touched the muck, do you shuffle and deal from the muck, or do you shuffle the muck and flop into the stub and then deal out the new flop without a burn. I posted about 39.A earlier, but that's if one of the cards in the flop is a burn card. Not sure if that would be the solution with a card from the muck. I suppose at that point it doesn't matter.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Only thing I can't find in the rules, since the flop touched the muck, do you shuffle and deal from the muck, or do you shuffle the muck and flop into the stub and then deal out the new flop without a burn. I posted about 39.A earlier, but that's if one of the cards in the flop is a burn card. Not sure if that would be the solution with a card from the muck. I suppose at that point it doesn't matter.

My post was in reply to OP. As to the WSOP hand, the flop appeared to have been mingled with the muck to the extent that you couldn't reliably identify the three flop cards (nor even if there were only three cards, especially given how bad this dealer is). In this case all the muck cards, the flop, and the remainder of the stub should have been shuffled together and the entire board rerolled—by a new dealer. And this needs to happen without flipping the cards over so the players can see them and get upset about what might have been.

If I'm the floor, I am pulling him out of the box right at the moment he puts the flop in the muck, and then I'm taking over this table until he can be properly replaced. Pay him out for the rest of the shift and hand him his walking papers. Letting someone who just made this ridiculous error continue to deal is unacceptable in a prestigious tournament series.

 

[buzzmonkey]

More fun in the muck.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2025/07/crazy-elimination-from-2025-wsop-main-event-49037.htm

 

[JustinInMN]

If I'm the floor, I am pulling him out of the box right at the moment he puts the flop in the muck, and then I'm taking over this table until he can be properly replaced. Pay him out for the rest of the shift and hand him his walking papers. Letting someone who just made this ridiculous error continue to deal is unacceptable in a prestigious tournament series.

The realities of demand on the supply of dealers during this "prestigious" series is the problem. Casinos have to set the expectation real low just to fill all the tables they want to spread for the sake of staging this ridiculously sized fields.

Floorpersons are easier to replace and given this one is just standing there watching, he probably deserves more blame, really.

 

[badbeat37]

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/1lp5vhq/i_honestly_dont_know_what_to_say

I watched this way too many times. This irks me so much

 

[Baxit]

Even with friends you can't expect folders to tell their exact hands, it's a law of nature. + imagine someone saying: "lol, just folded 55" !?
After both players revealed their cards, it's pure luck. Reshuffling all the muck and dealing one board looks like the lesser evil.