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I like to state before we start a game which rules are used in the game, but also I remember the responsibility of a dealer even if we are in a self-deal tournament.
Lately we are using a RROP
ROBERT’S RULES OF POKER
The Show down
Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared. Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot.
Dead Hands
Your hand is declared dead if you fold or announce that you are folding when facing a bet or a raise. You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet).
Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player.
Situation 1 in the OP it's easy: I would apply "We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player"
Situation 2 in the OP less easy:
a) In one hand, I would declare player A hand dead as B declared 2 pairs and shown both cards. Allowing player A retrieve cards is opening doors and windows to slow-roll.
b) In another hand it's a "very friendly cash game " so I would consider recall everyone the rules, and allow player A to retrieve his cards because they are in front of him and easily identifiable.
Me, personally, i'll apply a in situation 2 and recall the players the duties of a dealer and to hold cards until the winner is declared, specially if there are too much booze.
Lately we are using a RROP
ROBERT’S RULES OF POKER
The Show down
Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared. Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot.
Dead Hands
Your hand is declared dead if you fold or announce that you are folding when facing a bet or a raise. You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet).
Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player.
Situation 1 in the OP it's easy: I would apply "We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player"
Situation 2 in the OP less easy:
a) In one hand, I would declare player A hand dead as B declared 2 pairs and shown both cards. Allowing player A retrieve cards is opening doors and windows to slow-roll.
b) In another hand it's a "very friendly cash game " so I would consider recall everyone the rules, and allow player A to retrieve his cards because they are in front of him and easily identifiable.
Me, personally, i'll apply a in situation 2 and recall the players the duties of a dealer and to hold cards until the winner is declared, specially if there are too much booze.
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