Polyclay Custom Molds (3 Viewers)

[TheBigTater]

Design parameters for new Polyinno mold with debossed pattern:

• 43mm diameter size
• 25mm center recess for laminated label application
• matte surface finish
• debossed outer ring
• debossed design elements between outer ring and label recess
• matte-finish rolling edge
• sharper rolling edge if possible

Potential design ideas:

• Star mold -- six equally spaced 5-pointed stars (pointed outwards), possibly with a short curved line or simple design element spaced between stars. Using six elements vs eight minimizes the cluttered effect while also minimizing the amount of displaced material.
• Triangle mold -- equilateral triangles between a narrow outer and inner ring, where the base of each alternating up-and-down triangles creates the ring line. Thin recessed lines; similar to web mold design but a less busy application of the concept.
• Horseshoe mold -- series of equally spaced horseshoes. (YES! I'M READY)
• Eagle mold -- series of equally spaced eagle head or head/body images.
• Suits mold -- lots of design direction options here, including the Four Suits logo (as-is or modified). There is a variety of individual suit image options -- either grouped together, spread out, paired, or even using abstract imagery.

Not under consideration:

• any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors (LOL, WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST PEOPLES FIRST CHOICE)
• interlocking key
• crowns
• text
• cards
• dice

A few other designs are also under current consideration. Looking for something fresh and generic, with multi-purpose applications for a wide variety of future projects. Feedback and suggestions welcome.

Comments above ^^^

 

[Geremie]

Comments above ^^^

I’d prefer the glass and straw mold or teacup and spoon mold

 

[GianThaMan]

Triangle and Suits molds are the only ones I would seriously consider here. Horseshoe is ok, but wouldn’t work with all sets, it would make sense for only binion’s tributes, places named something horseshoe, etc. Eagle mold I feel would be too crowded and it would be weird to have eagle heads or eagle bodies in a mold. I feel the same way about the HHR mold. The star mold just feels weird to me, a bit too cliche, I guess, I’m not sure how to describe it. Triangle would be weird as a mold where the triangles are spaced like a THC mold, but would be awesome if it were like a semi-web mold. Suits just looks good, because it’s vague enough to have like 50 interpretations, and depending on what’s chosen, it could be a great design. Just my 2 cents.

 

[chipsncoffee]

Sorry, catching up here. I just have a few questions.

Is what’s potentially on the table a 43mm hybrid chip with the smaller label?

Is a sharper edge still on the table?

What’s the ‘Suits’ mold you guys are talking about?

Will the edges be glossy or matte?

Thanks!

 

[BGinGA]

Has there been a star or triangle mold before? Those two would be completely new.

You said Polyinno. Are you looking to use this with SunFly or the cards GB vendor? Sounds like the timing may not work with the cards GB, regardless.

No previous star or triangle mold has been made as these two designs are currently being envisioned. Any suits mold would be unique as well.

This would likely be a future Sun-Fly project, although I am open to using other vendors pending acceptable cost and quality parameters are maintained.

Once we get presentable artwork, I'll post a poll for interest/feedback, although it doesn't look to be anytime soon. Soft target date for the group buy is late 2020 or early 2021.

 

[BGinGA]

Sorry, catching up here. I just have a few questions.

Is what’s potentially on the table a 43mm hybrid chip with the smaller label?

Is a sharper edge still on the table?

What’s the ‘Suits’ mold you guys are talking about?

Will the edges be glossy or matte?

Thanks!

Read post #59 above.

 

[MegaTon44]

Not under consideration:

• any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors

I always felt like "Hard Hat and Crane" would be a nice imitation. One day I'll make it happen....

 

[Pete]

Design parameters for new Polyinno mold with debossed pattern:

• 43mm diameter size
• 25mm center recess for laminated label application
• matte surface finish
• debossed outer ring
• debossed design elements between outer ring and label recess
• matte-finish rolling edge
• sharper rolling edge if possible

Potential design ideas:

• Star mold -- six equally spaced 5-pointed stars (pointed outwards), possibly with a short curved line or simple design element spaced between stars. Using six elements vs eight minimizes the cluttered effect while also minimizing the amount of displaced material.
• Triangle mold -- equilateral triangles between a narrow outer and inner ring, where the base of each alternating up-and-down triangles creates the ring line. Thin recessed lines; similar to web mold design but a less busy application of the concept.
• Horseshoe mold -- series of equally spaced horseshoes.
• Eagle mold -- series of equally spaced eagle head or head/body images.
• Suits mold -- lots of design direction options here, including the Four Suits logo (as-is or modified). There is a variety of individual suit image options -- either grouped together, spread out, paired, or even using abstract imagery.

Not under consideration:

• any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors
• interlocking key
• crowns
• text
• cards
• dice

A few other designs are also under current consideration. Looking for something fresh and generic, with multi-purpose applications for a wide variety of future projects. Feedback and suggestions welcome.

The Four Suits logo is brilliant. I would love to see that spread out on the mold!

 

[JMC9389]

I would love the idea of a four suits mold with a spade, club, heart, and diamond spread out, but I'd be careful about making it too close to the "Suits" mold on which the BCC Mardi Gras and Martini Club chips were made on.

 

[Pete]

Standard suit pips on the mold would be nice too. But that Four Suits logo is amazing. Since jokers are a feature of playing card decks maybe have a six element classic joker's head & Four Suits logo mold with the head & logo rotating around the mold.

 

[wolfpack]

how about reviving a old depression era mold that isn't in use any more? Like Wave Crests or Lazy N?

 

[BGinGA]

how about reviving a old depression era mold that isn't in use any more? Like Wave Crests or Lazy N?

Looking for something fresh and generic, with multi-purpose applications for a wide variety of future projects.

Wave crest mold is nice, but a bit more busy than I'd like for this project.

 

[MatthewTreeTree]

Closely watching here...

 

[wolfpack]

Lazy N, zig zag and circles, feathers, or Harps.

lots of great old molds not seen today

 

[GianThaMan]

I'd really like a 50mm chip. It's fun to handle just one or two 50mm chips, but a whole custom set would really be amazing.

 

[ThinkingFold]

Design parameters for new Polyinno mold with debossed pattern:

• 43mm diameter size
• 25mm center recess for laminated label application
• matte surface finish
• debossed outer ring
• debossed design elements between outer ring and label recess
• matte-finish rolling edge
• sharper rolling edge if possible

Potential design ideas:

• Star mold -- six equally spaced 5-pointed stars (pointed outwards), possibly with a short curved line or simple design element spaced between stars. Using six elements vs eight minimizes the cluttered effect while also minimizing the amount of displaced material.
• Triangle mold -- equilateral triangles between a narrow outer and inner ring, where the base of each alternating up-and-down triangles creates the ring line. Thin recessed lines; similar to web mold design but a less busy application of the concept.
• Horseshoe mold -- series of equally spaced horseshoes.
• Eagle mold -- series of equally spaced eagle head or head/body images.
• Suits mold -- lots of design direction options here, including the Four Suits logo (as-is or modified). There is a variety of individual suit image options -- either grouped together, spread out, paired, or even using abstract imagery.

Not under consideration:

• any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors
• interlocking key
• crowns
• text
• cards
• dice

A few other designs are also under current consideration. Looking for something fresh and generic, with multi-purpose applications for a wide variety of future projects. Feedback and suggestions welcome.

So you're bringing back roman mold?

 

[BGinGA]

Wave Crests, feathers, or Harps.

So you're bringing back roman mold?

All of these are too busy and not really conducive to a debossed/engraved ceramic mold with center recess (maybe the Harp mold, but also too busy):

Lazy N, zig zag and circles

Probably not going with 8 images, regardless of what they are -- looking for a less cluttered design and one that won't displace as much material (to retain weight). Zig-Zag & Circles mold design is not possible (at least not the circles portion) given that the center of the chip will be recessed and contain a label.

Envision this with 12-16 triangles instead of 20 diamonds (and a smaller diameter center area) -- essentially a truss mold:

Or this as the basis of an Eagle Suits mold (with a single different suit between each of four bird images), adding an outer ring:

Possible star mold inspiration, but as a star outline (vs depression) and with fewer stars (6), spaced with some type of design element (similar to second pic):

Also note that as a 43mm chip (with 25mm recess), there will be a larger chip surface to work with than the 39mm chip examples above.

 

[BGinGA]

The Four Suits logo is brilliant. I would love to see that spread out on the mold!

I would love the idea of a four suits mold with a spade, club, heart, and diamond spread out

Standard suit pips on the mold would be nice too. But that Four Suits logo is amazing.

Original Four Suits logo, owned by @MoscowRadio who has made it public for everyone to use:

Mock-up of a printed ceramic version of the Four Suits logo on the rim, courtesy of @CdnBeerLover and @p5woody:

Abstract four suits logo courtesy of @RiffRaffRandy:

 

[RudysNYC]

Original Four Suits logo, owned by @MoscowRadio who has made it public for everyone to use:

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Mock-up of a printed ceramic version of the Four Suits logo on the rim, courtesy of @CdnBeerLover and @p5woody:

Abstract four suits logo courtesy of @RiffRaffRandy:

Love the original logo and everything about it, but would the finer detail come out in a ceramic mold? You are the encyclopedia @BGinGA so I’m assuming I’m the wrong one, but judging by the card mold Alibaba chips I had in my hands I feel like the abstract four suits would come out better on a ceramic chip. I feel like the inner heart especially might get lost, but I’m just freeballin’ here. The sun fly molds I’ve seen have been more line-work than fine detail

 

[BGinGA]

would the finer detail come out in a ceramic mold?

Here is an old mock-up of the Four Suits logo as a custom polyclay mold:

And a mock-up as a custom polyclay mold with outer ring (which would be similar if making it a hybrid mold, with a slightly smaller recessed center):

And below are the existing 39mm polyclay designs produced by Sun-Fly -- I think the four suits logo and diamond image are similar in complexity. On a 43mm hybrid mold, the Four Suits logo would be larger than the diamond and cards images:

 

[JMC9389]

Here is an old mock-up of the Four Suits logo as a custom polyclay mold:

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And a mock-up as a custom polyclay mold with outer ring (which would be similar if making it a hybrid mold, with a slightly smaller recessed center):

And below are the existing 39mm polyclay designs produced by Sun-Fly -- I think the four suits logo and diamond image are similar in complexity. On a 43mm hybrid mold, the Four Suits logo would be larger than the diamond and cards images:

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I love these.

 

[GianThaMan]

Here is an old mock-up of the Four Suits logo as a custom polyclay mold:

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And a mock-up as a custom polyclay mold with outer ring (which would be similar if making it a hybrid mold, with a slightly smaller recessed center):

And below are the existing 39mm polyclay designs produced by Sun-Fly -- I think the four suits logo and diamond image are similar in complexity. On a 43mm hybrid mold, the Four Suits logo would be larger than the diamond and cards images:

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I’m not really in love with that four suits mold, the detail reminds me of something like the diecard mold. It’s a bit too complex, even if it would come out well on the chip, I would like something like the TFP mold, which was simpler and just used one suit, or a mold which alternates the suit around, like the bcc suits mold, but double so there’s 8 pips. Just my opinion.

 

[RudysNYC]

Here is an old mock-up of the Four Suits logo as a custom polyclay mold:

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And a mock-up as a custom polyclay mold with outer ring (which would be similar if making it a hybrid mold, with a slightly smaller recessed center):

And below are the existing 39mm polyclay designs produced by Sun-Fly -- I think the four suits logo and diamond image are similar in complexity. On a 43mm hybrid mold, the Four Suits logo would be larger than the diamond and cards images:

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Absolutely love that 25 mockup. Didn’t realize the Diamond mold had the little bit in the center too, and great point these are 43mm. Super excited for these, glad they’ll come out crisp and clear

 

[wolfpack]

so something with less material removal

Large crown

A star mold variation with less stars and lines like a B mold would look great

 

[BGinGA]

A star mold variation with less stars and lines like a B mold would look great

Very similar to what I was thinking.

 

[JustDave]

Here is an old mock-up of the Four Suits logo as a custom polyclay mold:

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And a mock-up as a custom polyclay mold with outer ring (which would be similar if making it a hybrid mold, with a slightly smaller recessed center):

And below are the existing 39mm polyclay designs produced by Sun-Fly -- I think the four suits logo and diamond image are similar in complexity. On a 43mm hybrid mold, the Four Suits logo would be larger than the diamond and cards images:

View attachment 503281

I think the logo is fantastic and the art and abstracts are fantastic but, and this is probably mostly my ignorance here, can that level of detail really be achieved by the mold? I get the die can handle it but will the material hold that sharp of a design and over time would the mold wear away into just the other parts of the mold quickly?

Additionally, in the mock up with the logo and the molds centered like that I think that's great, but can they guarantee the mold being at 12/3/6/9 and in between those or will they kind of be where ever? I know with an inlay you could take the chip, line up the mold where you wanted and place the inlay with enough time patience, but due to the sublimation process can they do this?

Interesting to watch this develop and anything with that logo/artwork would be hard for me to stay away from.

 

[BGinGA]

I think the logo is fantastic and the art and abstracts are fantastic but, and this is probably mostly my ignorance here, can that level of detail really be achieved by the mold?

I get the die can handle it but will the material hold that sharp of a design and over time would the mold wear away into just the other parts of the mold quickly?

Yes, the level of detail present in other current Sun-Fly molds (diamond and lucky dragon elements) is very similar to that of the Four Suits image.

Ceramics are very hard, and wear very slowly even with heavy non-stop casino usage. It takes years of casino use to wear down ceramics, and the dye-sub printed ink will wear off long before the base chip itself shows any significant wear, especially to a debossed image. They should easily hold up to decades of home use conditions.

Additionally, in the mock up with the logo and the molds centered like that I think that's great, but can they guarantee the mold being at 12/3/6/9 and in between those or will they kind of be where ever? I know with an inlay you could take the chip, line up the mold where you wanted and place the inlay with enough time patience, but due to the sublimation process can they do this?

By default, Sun-Fly aligns labels with dye-sub printed polyinno hybrids as depicted in the submitted artwork, unless otherwise specified to be randomly applied.

On debossed polyclay chips, the dye-sub artwork is not aligned to the debossed images (creating a random placement look similar to nearly all clay chips except CPC), although I suppose it could probably be requested... and would likely also come with an additional cost. Merely placing blanks randomly for printing vs meticulous aligned placement is undoubtedly faster (and thus cheaper).

Both would likely apply to debossed hybrids -- base chips randomly printed (in relation to the debossed images), and printed labels aligned with the printed elements as the defaults.

 

[DeeVee8]

Design parameters for new Polyinno mold with debossed pattern:

• 43mm diameter size
• 25mm center recess for laminated label application
• matte surface finish
• debossed outer ring
• debossed design elements between outer ring and label recess
• matte-finish rolling edge
• sharper rolling edge if possible

Potential design ideas:

• Star mold -- six equally spaced 5-pointed stars (pointed outwards), possibly with a short curved line or simple design element spaced between stars. Using six elements vs eight minimizes the cluttered effect while also minimizing the amount of displaced material.
• Triangle mold -- equilateral triangles between a narrow outer and inner ring, where the base of each alternating up-and-down triangles creates the ring line. Thin recessed lines; similar to web mold design but a less busy application of the concept.
• Horseshoe mold -- series of equally spaced horseshoes.
• Eagle mold -- series of equally spaced eagle head or head/body images.
• Suits mold -- lots of design direction options here, including the Four Suits logo (as-is or modified). There is a variety of individual suit image options -- either grouped together, spread out, paired, or even using abstract imagery.

Not under consideration:

• any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors
• interlocking key
• crowns
• text
• cards
• dice

A few other designs are also under current consideration. Looking for something fresh and generic, with multi-purpose applications for a wide variety of future projects. Feedback and suggestions welcome.

Trident? Or was that done before.

 

[Beakertwang]

Man, I really dig this.

 

[wolfpack]

Trident? Or was that done before.

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The candelabra is often called the trident mold

The 4 suits just looks to busy in one spot to me. i would love to see a Stars Lines mock up.