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Can someone explain to this relative newbie how exactly this works? I'm severely interested in having custom Sunflys made in the future however much it may cost, but was under the impression that most of the companies were industry-only. Sorry if this is off-topic, it just felt like a decent place to ask the question that's been bugging me lol
All the Vendors in the Marketplace section that are chip manufacturers serve the home market. CPC for true clay, ABC Gifts and Awards for ceramic, and now also SunFly for ceramic and hybrids. There may be certain offerings from specific manufacturing lines which are restricted to licensed casinos, but those are defined on their websites.
Okay, so $4000-$4500 for the custom mold, pending the actual design intricacies involved. That's in alignment with previous quotes for custom polyclay and polyinno molds, but now confirmed as possible for a combination of the two mold types. That's great news imo.
Next step is creating the actual mold design, in hopes of generating sufficient initial sales (while also indicating projected value for future sales) such that Sun-Fly will agree to absorb the up-front mold cost -- as they did with our custom polyinno mold (HB005, 43mm diameter x 25mm recess) that was created for the initial ACB group buy. I believe the target sales number in that case was 20,000 chips.
Next step is creating the actual mold design, in hopes of generating sufficient initial sales (while also indicating projected value for future sales) such that Sun-Fly will agree to absorb the up-front mold cost -- as they did with our custom polyinno mold (HB005, 43mm diameter x 25mm recess) that was created for the initial ACB group buy. I believe the target sales number in that case was 20,000 chips.
FYI - I asked about this for the prestige GB when I started designing back in March/April.
Would you be interested in creating a mold for the HB005 chip? Do you have a cost estimate for a new mold and/or number of chips you would have to sell in order to offer this option. Any concerns with creating a new mold?
What do you have in mind for the new mold? It is quite difficult to produce a new mold right now due to the virus situation, however we'll definitely be interested to creating new molds when the situation gets better, especially for good designs. Please let me know your ideas - maybe we can't do it now for the group buy but we can do it a few months later for other projects together.
Would you be interested in creating a mold for the HB005 chip? Do you have a cost estimate for a new mold and/or number of chips you would have to sell in order to offer this option. Any concerns with creating a new mold?
What do you have in mind for the new mold? It is quite difficult to produce a new mold right now due to the virus situation, however we'll definitely be interested to creating new molds when the situation gets better, especially for good designs. Please let me know your ideas - maybe we can't do it now for the group buy but we can do it a few months later for other projects together.
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Maybe polyclinno will become stock in the future.
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All we need now are shaped Hybrid inlays.
Real shaped labels don't work with hybrids -- the center recess is always white and cannot be printed.
Oh, that's too bad. Still, perhaps a nice shaped sticker with a contrasting background colour would look nice over a white recess.
Problem with that approach is that it is really hard to accurately color-match label backgrounds to base ceramic chip printing, and impossible to match the surface look of glossy labels to the printed ceramic surface. Believe me, we've tried.
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They would look like Jack detroit inlays, clearly not real shaped inlays, but they look good nonetheless.Problem with that approach is that it is really hard to accurately color-match label backgrounds to base ceramic chip printing, and impossible to match the surface look of glossy labels to the printed ceramic surface. Believe me, we've tried.
Problem with that approach is that it is really hard to accurately color-match label backgrounds to base ceramic chip printing, and impossible to match the surface look of glossy labels to the printed ceramic surface. Believe me, we've tried.
Grasping at straws here, but have we ever tried using a round laminate over a shaped inlay? I know that makes slightly uneven surfaces, but with a non-textured laminate, maybe it will allow enough deformation to produce a good seal?
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We could probably get 43mm polyclays with a printed recess and then buy shaped labels from Gear, but then they wouldn't be hybrids.Problem with that approach is that it is really hard to accurately color-match label backgrounds to base ceramic chip printing, and impossible to match the surface look of glossy labels to the printed ceramic surface. Believe me, we've tried.
Nope. Can't be done -- the dye-sub print head has to maintain a specific distance to the target, which is not possible with the recess.
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I didn't realize, polyclays don't have a recess, they just have a line separating the body from the inlay area, which is what I meant.
Yeah, but being flat, you can't put a label on a polyclay chip without creating spinners. You can, however, print on the center section -- and can print a faux-shaped 'inlay'-like image. Somebody here recently created a polyclay set exactly like that.
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Ooh, that's a good idea, sort of like the tropic oasis poker chips. Maybe I'll get some customs like that for a cash set.
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The question we all need to ask is, "Yes, but do I need more chips?" Answer: "Of course I do. Just don't tell my wife!!!"
So... reviving this in light of the massive cards mold buy thread: Custom artwork group buy. US/CAN CARDS MOLD
Could we get consensus on a custom mold design? Something appealing to enough to get enough interest to get the $2K cost down?
I'd be in for a scroll-like geometric design of some sort.
Could we get consensus on a custom mold design? Something appealing to enough to get enough interest to get the $2K cost down?
I'd be in for a scroll-like geometric design of some sort.
I'm currently working on this with a designer -- several mold design options are being considered. Will likely post a poll to gauge public interest when the designs are completed, shooting for late July.
Some of the baseline parameters we have established are 43mn diameter, 25mm recess, outer concentric circle ring, original design (not a copycat), and minimalistic design (ie, not 'busy'). Everything else is up for consideration.
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Still waiting on the designer.
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Must be a detailed mold. Will it have some texture and sharper edges? I know that would really make for some unique chips.
Design parameters for new Polyinno mold with debossed pattern:
- 43mm diameter size
- 25mm center recess for laminated label application
- matte surface finish
- debossed outer ring
- debossed design elements between outer ring and label recess
- matte-finish rolling edge
- sharper rolling edge if possible
- Star mold -- six equally spaced 5-pointed stars (pointed outwards), possibly with a short curved line or simple design element spaced between stars. Using six elements vs eight minimizes the cluttered effect while also minimizing the amount of displaced material.
- Triangle mold -- equilateral triangles between a narrow outer and inner ring, where the base of each alternating up-and-down triangles creates the ring line. Thin recessed lines; similar to web mold design but a less busy application of the concept.
- Horseshoe mold -- series of equally spaced horseshoes.
- Eagle mold -- series of equally spaced eagle head or head/body images.
- Suits mold -- lots of design direction options here, including the Four Suits logo (as-is or modified). There is a variety of individual suit image options -- either grouped together, spread out, paired, or even using abstract imagery.
- any type of THC imitation mold, such as Hairbrush & Scissors
- interlocking key
- crowns
- text
- cards
- dice
I appreciate your work here.
Has there been a star or triangle mold before? Those two would be completely new.
I suspect the eagle mold (while also new) might be my less favorite. Small intricate molds (jockey, shell) don’t look that good to my eyes. I’ll hold judgement until I see it. I’m excited to see what you have!
You said Polyinno. Are you looking to use this with SunFly or the cards GB vendor? Sounds like the timing may not work with the cards GB, regardless.
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