Play Pocket 4’s at my local casino. (1 Viewer)

[Trihonda]

BB “hero” commented after the hand that the previous “set over set” conversation convinced him to move into check/call mode.

I was glad it saved me $50.

For the record, the OP was my 7000th post. Woot!

I knew there were improvements to be found on many aspects of this hand (by all players) and wanted to share it from a different vantage. Sometimes when I share strat threads, the outcomes (motivations) appear transparent from the part of the hero, so I wanted a different perspective. It wasn’t intended to be a gotcha or bait and switch. Thanks

 

[Highli99]

Congrats on the win, but I think this hand is revealing some leaks that are probably affecting your hourly.

Leak 1 - playing pocket 4s out of position in 5x raised pots preflop....by calling

Leak 2 - being too conservative post flop with a monster hand simply because it is not the nuts and there are monsters under the bed...again by calling.

Leak 3 - playing with less than 100bb. I don't think short stack strategy can be claimed because that whole strategy relies on jamming, which you didn't do. By the way, the lost value is not just the $50 you didn't bet. It's the money you didn't have in front of you to jam in the first place.


FWIW I suffer from each of the leaks above from time to time so you are in good company.

 

[Marius L]

So many mistakes in this hand... How did the money not get in with bottom set vs AK on this board.. One thing is certain after reading this thread though, you should go back and play more with both of these two guys!

 

[Burke]

Congrats on the win, but I think this hand is revealing some leaks that are probably affecting your hourly.

Leak 1 - playing pocket 4s out of position in 5x raised pots preflop....by calling

Leak 2 - being too conservative post flop with a monster hand simply because it is not the nuts and there are monsters under the bed...again by calling.

Leak 3 - playing with less than 100bb. I don't think short stack strategy can be claimed because that whole strategy relies on jamming, which you didn't do. By the way, the lost value is not just the $50 you didn't bet. It's the money you didn't have in front of you to jam in the first place.


FWIW I suffer from each of the leaks above from time to time so you are in good company.

Trihonda was not the hero in the hand

 

[JustinInMN]

You know, given that the pot ended up only 55 instead of 70, I wouldn't hate a half-ish pot size bet from hero if one must bet his own hand here. That would leave us a good shove stack on the turn, or it might induce the shove from an opponent on the flop.

I still think check shove is a better line, but if you feel it's a bet your own situation, the right size can make sense, maybe you even collect from KK.

 

[Trihonda]

but I think this hand is revealing some leaks that are probably affecting your hourly.

Trihonda was not the hero in the hand

He got the leaks and players wrong, but I think his statement above is probably still true.

 

[Highli99]

Whoops missed that part

 

[Trihonda]

...you should go back and play more with both of these two guys!

It’s almost a guarantee


To explain my play (not that it was correct, but this was what was going through my mind).

I don’t mind any of my sizings pre, except I realize I failed to read the CO when he C/R’d me. He’s a super nitty player. He nut peddles a lot. I should have found a fold, but his line was so weird that I didn’t really put him on anything, but I should have (given the history)..

When I flatted the CO, I read the BB as strong (I have a decent number of hours playing against the BB as well and he was exuding some strength), but I mistook that strength as a large pair like QQ or AQ. I briefly thought about 99, but 44 and A9 seemed unlikely holdings for him to call a big pre flop Raise OOP. With 99 the only exact hand I felt was beating me, I wanted him to come along and flatted to price him in with something like a larger pair. When he called I somehow re-evaluated my live read (maybe a little too much Hollywooding?). Hard to explain, but I suddenly started to think I was potentially behind and also went into check call mode.

So essentially my flop decision was shit. Either My bad call (of CO’s C/R), cost me $65. or my bad bad flat (shoulda been a jam if I was going to play) saved me $50.

Either way it was not good.

I still ended the session up $150. The BB Hero cashed out around $500 ahead.

 

[timinater]

A general observation:

Lots of people don't understand the very simple math behind set-mining, despite a the wealth of resources available.

 

[Cyo]

A general observation:

Lots of people don't understand the very simple math behind set-mining, despite a the wealth of resources available.

That's why there's still money to be made in live poker!

 

[HanShot1st]

First off, I want royalties. And I’ll take them from you in future games I’m sure.

Second, I defended my big blind against the c/o and button. With 44 being past my normal range at this point. Taking into account I know the other two players well. I decided to defend and set mine. Knowing I can fold post flop.

I don’t believe it was a 9 on the flop I believe it was a 6. Because I remember being concerned about the c/o having pocket 6s and being possibly drawing to 1 out.

I didn’t put either c/o or button on AA. It just didn’t play that way. Although on hindsight when the c/o jammed, AA flashed through my mind.

Due to having bottom set, and trying to seriously figure out if I was ahead against two competent players I chose to play check/call. The river however, against anyone else I think I would have jammed. Having already been checked to twice. After all, it was what another $50? He is my friend, and I was still concerned I may be beat. So I check back.

Did I play this perfectly, no. But there are a lot of other factors that went into this. I also wasn’t trying to slit my friends throats either. Just take some of their money with bragging rights. After all they bet/called that big with only top pair/top kicker. Honestly was just relieved that I just didn’t get beat by a bigger set.

 

[JustinInMN]

I also wasn’t trying to slit my friends throats either. Just take some of their money with bragging rights.

I'm about as big a momma's boy as there is. But if I'm in this spot with 3 fours against her, I'm getting every last nickel. Never soft-playing. I can always get her something extra nice in May .

Truthfully, my only issue with the pf call is what I understood the starting stack to be. In a deeper spot I'd like the call more.

 

[JustinInMN]

 

[HanShot1st]

Truthfully, my only issue with the pf call is what I understood the starting stack to be. In a deeper spot I'd like the call more.

That I can’t argue. As for being a momma’s boy...

 

[Lacostey]

I just dont understand this, how can check-call even be a line in this hand on both turn and river? So if an opponent has a bigger set you dont think he will bet that? Then what are you going to do with 50 left? Obviously call. So if you gonna be calling all the times they bet with a bigger set and lose that extra 50, why wouldn't you bet it so they can make a mistake and call with a weaker hand than your set.

And the suggestion in the beginning of donk jamming the flop for 1,7x when we are not even the preflop raiser just can't be right, it just can't.

But yeah fold pre, especially if you are not maximizing winnings when flopping a set on a dry board.