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Goodell is a putz. In order to take things into a real court you have to have hard evidence, unlike his crappy little Kangaroo court where rumor and conjecture are enough.

And, I'm not a football, Patriots, OR Brady fan. That's just the way things work in the real world.

I mean, if you can't uphold a suspension when you have visible promo of a guy knocking his woman out, or proof of another beating his kid, what chance did this really have??
 
BPTDirector said:
Goodell is a putz. In order to take things into a real court you have to have hard evidence, unlike his crappy little Kangaroo court where rumor and conjecture are enough.

And, I'm not a football, Patriots, OR Brady fan. That's just the way things work in the real world.

I mean, if you can't uphold a suspension when you have visible promo of a guy knocking his woman out, or proof of another beating his kid, what chance did this really have??
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since he answers to the other owners, how are they not advising him to drop the appeal and just cut his losses? hes just making a bigger fool or himself and the league
 
I remember when the original OJ Simpson trial was going on, the Dunkin Donuts around here had a sign that read:

FREE OJ!!!
(with a dozen donuts)
 
Not my cup of tea Guiness, and I'm not really focused on the Patriots, per say. I was just responding to those who were posting in this thread.

In all seriousness, I actually think its good for the league that this ruling happened. Obviously I don't care for Brady or the Patriots, and I do think Brady asked the equipment guys to deflate the balls (like most QBs probably do), but in reality Goodell has been an awful commissioner who hands down suspensions according to his whim and fancy. There is a collective bargaining agreement for a reason, and if all of a sudden something comes up that you don't agree with as commissioner, then freaking collectively bargain it the next time around. Don't make up your own rules on the spot all willy-nilly. This is the problem that most sane people have.

I just like giving Brady a hard time because he's a smug jerk who is probably banging a supermodel on top of piles of money as we speak. Also, you have to admit, you and the rest of your unhinged fanbase are pretty insecure about your Bradykins, which makes it even more fun to troll you guys.
 
I don't have any reason to believe that brady isn't a smug jerk, as he plays as a starter in the NFL.

I have a problem believing any other player in the NFL is any different. These are elite athletes who have been treated as such for probably their whole lives. At least since high school. When were they supposed to learn not to be be smug jerks?

Maybe Michael Oher.
 
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I am an admitted patriots fan, and follow these stories pretty religiously, but is anything really new here? Maybe the statements from Martz, but I think many of the new revelations are worse for the NFL, and some even seem to vindicate the Patriots. How stupid are the Steelers for not changing their signals all year, or the Rams for going over their plays with patriots personnel standing on the field?

In true ESPN fashion though, they do not mention that it is not illegal to film other teams signals, it is illegal to film them from the sidelines.
 
This from the article:

"In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.) Numerous former employees say the Patriots would have someone rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports. Walsh later told investigators that he was once instructed to remove the labels and erase tapes of a Patriots practice because the team had illegally used a player on injured reserve. At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."
 
Chippy McChiperson said:
Sorry didn't realize this was a Patriots fan site thought it was a poker chip forum...
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On a serious note though, what truth can you take from ESPN's reporting? They have been caught red-headed in about a dozen opinion based, factless reports over the past 12 months. One after another, they never correct their mistakes. Their insiders leak rumors and false reports at every chance they get.

Oh wait, just kidding, they totally admit their mistakes....at 3am in the morning when nobody is watching

 
Honestly I don't know who to believe anymore. I think ESPN these days is more entertainment than sports. I think the NFL office is corrupt, and is out to only serve its best interests. You all know what I think about the Patriots lol. But these are very serious allegations, and shouldn't be just swept under the rug.
 
Chippy McChiperson said:
This from the article:

"In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.) Numerous former employees say the Patriots would have someone rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports. Walsh later told investigators that he was once instructed to remove the labels and erase tapes of a Patriots practice because the team had illegally used a player on injured reserve. At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."
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I honestly don't know if taking another teams playbook that they left laying around is illegal?

All of the other stuff is par for the course, you can use it to label the patriots as cheaters, but people with glass houses....
 
sticking my head in here for what reason i don't know, but...i guess i just don't understand the disagreement. tell me if i have this right:

PRO-PATRIOTS: patriots are under the microscope bc we win. other teams cheat just as much or nearly as much.
ANTI-PATRIOTS: brady obv obstructed this investigation and it's a joke that he got off.

these positions seem compatible and both pretty obviously true to me.
 

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