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8 handed Icelandic variant. 5 cards each. Two boards, no extra cards to burn.

I'm on the button with J6622 non suited. We all put in antes so right to the boards. 8 BB in the pot.

Good board J 10 8 no suits

Bad board 3 4 7

Checks to the HJ who bets 4 BB. Cutoff calls. Hero?
 
Are the boards going to be 3/2/1 or 3/2/2?

How many cards did each other player discard?

Can’t provide tangible feedback without that info.

But as is: I’d venture the right play is fold. The next best is pot-ish. Me personally would call because idc about the money and Scarney is the best game in the world and I’m not giving up an opp to see more cards.

The more cards coming the better for paired (double paired!) hands.

Even though you didn’t ask: Scarney with antes is the worse thing to happen to poker since the “shuffle” mechanism. It 1000% leans into the slot machine thought around it. I would love this hand pre, and have no problem pot-pot-pot-pot-pot all in with it for fun and giggles. In almost no other circus game do we all ante in, completely removing/averaging out those with greater skill for this specific game.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Are the boards going to be 3/2/1 or 3/2/2?

How many cards did each other player discard?

Can’t provide tangible feedback without that info.

But as is: I’d venture the right play is fold. The next best is pot-ish. Me personally would call because idc about the money and Scarney is the best game in the world and I’m not giving up an opp to see more cards.

The more cards coming the better for paired (double paired!) hands.

Even though you didn’t ask: Scarney with antes is the worse thing to happen to poker since the “shuffle” mechanism. It 1000% leans into the slot machine thought around it. I would love this hand pre, and have no problem pot-pot-pot-pot-pot all in with it for fun and giggles. In almost no other circus game do we all ante in, completely removing/averaging out those with greater skill for this specific game.
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3-2-1. Not enough cards for anything else.

Best I recall, betting HJ has three left, cutoff had 4. Small blind had all 5, big blind 4. Everyone else I don't remember but noncontributory since they folded rhe flop.
 
JMC9389 said:
3-2-1. Not enough cards for anything else.

Best I recall, betting HJ has three left, cutoff had 4. Small blind had all 5, big blind 4. Everyone else I don't remember but noncontributory since they folded rhe flop.
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Def interested to see folks’ feedback. I just donate money so I have no clue.

I just love paired hands so much in scarney and would fall in love pre and folding wouldn’t ever even enter my brain but it has to be the right play for others.

You’re not scooping obvi, you’re not playing for the low, you don’t want to build the pot, and you’re hoping to draw to a hidden boat to get paid off….not a lot cause you don’t wanna build the pot.

I just feel like all your jimulcranimius types would say “fold”.
 
I don't much care for Hero's hand now. I would fold.

Hero needs to get quite lucky to make the low - needs a jack and probably the six to come on the bad board.

As for high. Hero makes a full house with a jack, six or two. If a jack falls, hero is in ok shape but still doesn't have a rock. If a six or two falls, then hero is going to be sneaky BUT it is a terribly shabby full house. Hero risks having an under-boat in a game where that kind of hand is fragile and often expensive.

Let's remember Hero is still drawing to six outs for half the pot. With a solid chance to make his hand and be a silver medalist anyway.

No thank you, we missed the flop. Time to go on to the next hand -=- DrStrange
 
You float a lot in scarney because of the double turn

But this is a stretch

I think fold

Also an important piece of flop info when it’s a bomb pot like this using full deck is whether all 347 were discarded or are some of them going to end up on one of the boards.
 
I'm leaning fold too. Even if you improve a lot, you could easily be improving to second-best, and in most cases it'll be for half the pot at most.
 
I'll call to see the turn and will reassess on a raise or after the turn if I hit or completely whiff. Most of the time this is a fold though. Only good thing so far is the lower cards coming out on the bad board.
 
Sorry folks, had a busy couple of days.

At a meetup and at higher stakes, this is probably a fold. With a couple of whiskey glasses on board though and with good friends, I splashed around a little and called to see more cards.

Next street:

Turn J and 10. K and Q discards for the bottom board. Checks to me. Hero?
 
JMC9389 said:
Sorry folks, had a busy couple of days.

At a meetup and at higher stakes, this is probably a fold. With a couple of whiskey glasses on board though and with good friends, I splashed around a little and called to see more cards.

Next street:

Turn J and 10. K and Q discards for the bottom board. Checks to me. Hero?
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Sounds like no one raised the turn. How many people are still in the hand?

You have a decent chance at chopping the high if the action doesn't go crazy, but you still lose to combos holding aces and now pocket 10s. Your low chances are just about gone. Problem with playing SCARNEY 8 handed is every card is in play.

What were the suits for the turn J and 10? How many K and Q discards hit the bad board? Just wondering if there's possibilities for any straight flushes on the good board.
 
Straight flush possibilities were eliminated. Don't remember the suits but two each on the high board were diamonds and hearts.
 
How many players in the hand still? How many cards each?
 
I don’t get it.

Post flop, we were never playing for the low.

We’re calling and the literally only the remaining combos of J/6 allow us to play for low.

Post flop, we were never playing for the high.

We’re calling and literally only the remaining combos of J/T allow us to comfortably play for the high (6s and 2s you win tiny pot or you fold to bloated pot bets.

We got runner/runner on a hand we have no business being in.

From here, just pile money in. If not, because other people could have pocket Ts or a bigger boat in hand or something, then why did we play past the flop?

Idk, not a remotely difficult decision for me so far pre, post flop, or post turn.

Edit - it’s WAY easier to type this while not in the game and sober. If I was playing live, guaranteed I call the flop and then guaranteed I’m pot/pot/pot/all in on the turn and lose my stack.
 
toothpic said:
How many players in the hand still? How many cards each?
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The info is above but idk that any of it matters.

I *guess* at some point you start factoring in who’s left and potentially battling for the low vs the high, but given the initial board and feedback on discarded cards/players, our hand is so straight forward I don’t see any of it mattering.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
The info is above but idk that any of it matters.

I *guess* at some point you start factoring in who’s left and potentially battling for the low vs the high, but given the initial board and feedback on discarded cards/players, our hand is so straight forward I don’t see any of it mattering.
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Right, but I'm asking for results after the turn cards. Our ability to win the high outright if pretty questionable. I won't even be trying for the low at this point. Really feels like a bad place to be in scarney unless that river is a miracle J on the good board.
 
toothpic said:
Sounds like no one raised the turn. How many people are still in the hand?

You have a decent chance at chopping the high if the action doesn't go crazy, but you still lose to combos holding aces and now pocket 10s. Your low chances are just about gone. Problem with playing SCARNEY 8 handed is every card is in play.

What were the suits for the turn J and 10? How many K and Q discards hit the bad board? Just wondering if there's possibilities for any straight flushes on the good board.
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Sorry, didn't see the edits. 5 still in including me. SB (4 cards) BB (2), HJ (2), CO(2) all checked.
 
Take what I say with a grain of salt as I don't think I play Scarney optimally. I play it for the carnage at our home games because it's really fun to rub it in someone's face.

I hate where we are lol. check.
 
I mean, how deep everyone is matters too.

Feels like most Scarney hands are all in by the river. I play Scarney with every decision dependent on - am I cool being all in here?

Pre I’m happy to jammy jam.
Flop I’m not but I can convince myself there’s a way to get to jammy jam levels by river.
Turn I got what I needed to convince myself to be jammy jam regardless of river.

Those feelings can change if I’m sitting on $4k instead of $200.
 
Yup, with Scarney I think we need all the details as every bit makes a difference. I need to be able to play back the hand in my head like i was sitting there playing. I feel like we are getting quartered here most of the time and just losing our stack other times if we jam here 4 handed. There's a very small amount of times when we get half.
 
toothpic said:
Yup, with Scarney I think we need all the details as every bit makes a difference. I need to be able to play back the hand in my head like i was sitting there playing. I feel like we are getting quartered here most of the time and just losing our stack other times if we jam here 4 handed. There's a very small amount of times when we get half.
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yeah those guys with 2 cards, one of those could easily be a J and ruin our day.
 
Just to be clear, we're holding J-6-6-2-2 (suits irrelevant), and the board is:

J 10 8 J 10 (live)
3 4 7 Q K (dead)

Hero and 4 opponents are still in the hand, with 4, 2, 2, and 2 cards left.

We are locked out of the low and probably splitting the high if anyone is going high. There's a nonzero chance we're outright losing the high too, though with a Q and K dead, only 10-10 and A-A-A in the hole beat us now, plus a chance of A-A or A-J in the hole spiking an ace on the river.

What else is giving action on the high? Maybe a really drunk 10, but in reality, probably nothing. If we've been checked to by everyone on the turn, I can see a small and not really compelling argument for betting (maybe we are ahead and should protect our hand) and checking through (because if the action gets pushed now it's a really gross spot).

I know it looks like the "nut boat," but this hand is less than top pair top kicker on the turn in Hold'em. Especially against a whole field. You will usually either win a little or lose a big fraction of your stack.
 
Good board J 10 8 J 10

Bad board 3 4 7 K Q

Five way action - 3 two card hands, a four card hand and Hero.

It is likely Hero is chopping the high. A river ace or ten on the good board could change that for the worse. Obviously, a jack river on good board is wonderful. Hero is not winning the low absent a miracle.

Best case for hero is getting quartered. But it is five way action - IF - we can keep everyone in. Hero may made a sliver of a profit. Maybe.

The river is more likely to make things worse for hero than help. A jack on the bad board would be gross.

Let's see a river and the action. The more people in, the better. Not looking to blow up the pot. Not playing for a 1/4 pot heads up or even three ways. There are 28bb in the pot, Hero stands to get 7bb.

Looking for enough reason to fold on the river -=- DrStrange
 
Let's say Hero pots and gets the four card hand to call and gets raised by the two-card hand.

Now we have 448 in the pot. Hero is getting a quarter or 112bb while putting in 140bb.

If it just hero and a two-card hand - here stands to make 14bb of he is the sole winner but lose 49bb if the two-card hand is Jx

And we are ignoring the unlikely hands that beat hero for high


see - - - when the Doctor is at your table, SOME people might be drunk, but not me. Risking a larger loss for little gain is a sucker play. I play big bet circus waiting for a huge scoop once or twice in the night. The little bites are fun for sure. The real money is made taking down a 500bb pot alone. And doing my best not to be the poor guy paying off said 500bb pot.

I hate to play a hand where my gains are small and limited but my losses can be for my whole stack. Not going to let that happen here. -=- DrStrange
 

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