Cash Game Limit Chip Breakdown Advice (1 Viewer)

[Adam Crowley]

In a mixed game scenario. Playing .25/.50 PL/NL games, if you were to throw in some 2-7TD at $2/$4. How smoothly would the game run if players had an avg of a barrel of 1s and a barrel of 5s?

Would like to make sure that I order enough chips but 2-7TD would be the only limit game at the moment and be chosen the least amount of time so would like to try and avoid having excess amounts of unused chips on the table when mostly playing PL/NL games.

 

[ChaosRock]

In a mixed game scenario. Playing .25/.50 PL/NL games, if you were to throw in some 2-7TD at $2/$4. How smoothly would the game run if players had an avg of a barrel of 1s and a barrel of 5s?

Would like to make sure that I order enough chips but 2-7TD would be the only limit game at the moment and be chosen the least amount of time so would like to try and avoid having excess amounts of unused chips on the table when mostly playing PL/NL games.

Take a look at post #48 AC... One of the games we were playing Limit was 27T (25¢/50¢ NL/PL and $2/$4 Limit) and things ran smoothly... It would have been better to have more $1s for Limit games but the game didn't suffer much...

 

[Puggy]

I'm really sorry. I love my south eastern MI location. Between @mike32 @ChaosRock and hopefully more often @ThePunk we have games all the time. Hell, sometimes its tough to schedule a game because the other hosts want to get some action as well.

Thanks. I live wrong side of the Pond.

 

[Adam Crowley]

Take a look at post #48 AC... One of the games we were playing Limit was 27T (25¢/50¢ NL/PL and $2/$4 Limit) and things ran smoothly... It would have been better to have more $1s for Limit games but the game didn't suffer much...[/QUOTE
Thanks it's funny I skimmed that post but missed that it already answered my question.

 

[ohio3302016]

Also, some people freak out about using $5 in a limit game. I've done this a lot and it's really not an issue. In fact, if you're playing a game like 3/6 with a kill, I actually think it makes the game move much faster.

 

[abby99]

Also, some people freak out about using $5 in a limit game. I've done this a lot and it's really not an issue. In fact, if you're playing a game like 3/6 with a kill, I actually think it makes the game move much faster.

I've played 3/6 with $5's and $1's at Oneida in Green Bay, and 6/12 at a local charity game. It's likely that both venues want to minimize their costs. Of course I prefer to play with all $1's, but playing with $5's is better than not playing at all.

 

[jbutler]

Of course I prefer to play with all $1's, but playing with $5's is better than not playing at all.

That's abut the most positive thing that can be said about playing $3/6 with $5s imo.

 

[ohio3302016]

I've played 3/6 with $5's and $1's at Oneida in Green Bay, and 6/12 at a local charity game. It's likely that both venues want to minimize their costs. Of course I prefer to play with all $1's, but playing with $5's is better than not playing at all.

No doubt.

But it isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. In fact, in a 6/12 hand it's almost easier for most people to have $5's.

 

[abby99]

No doubt.

But it isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. In fact, in a 6/12 hand it's almost easier for most people to have $5's.

Agreed, unless the house is extremely stingy on the $1's. Although having a competent dealer does help, I still don't like having to get change for what seems like every other hand.

 

[ohio3302016]

Agreed, unless the house is extremely stingy on the $1's. Although having a competent dealer does help, I still don't like having to get change for what seems like every other hand.

Oh, I was assuming a self dealt game here.

 

[Ronoh]

Being that you've never played limit and don't know how your group would react to a limit night id suggest driving to one of the Detroit casinos and grab 1000 singles. Start with three barrels per person and add some more in every now and again til you hit a spot that feels right.

Return the chippies to get your entire rental fee back when a) your brand new limit set arrives or b) you find out your group doesn't like limit night.

 

[jbutler]

Being that you've never played limit and don't know how your group would react to a limit night id suggest driving to one of the Detroit casinos and grab 1000 singles. Start with three barrels per person and add some more in every now and again til you hit a spot that feels right.

Return the chippies to get your entire rental fee back when a) your brand new limit set arrives or b) you find out your group doesn't like limit night.

Best advice yet.

 

[Chicken Rob]

No doubt.

But it isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. In fact, in a 6/12 hand it's almost easier for most people to have $5's.

6/12 should be played with $2 chips. I've never played 6/12, but have played 9/18 with $3 chips. 3 chip/6chip with a 2 chip small blind is my favorite limit structure. I've never seen a person struggle with it.

The benefit of all 1 denom is that you don't need to know how to make a $36 bet, you just need to know its 12 chips to you.

 

[ohio3302016]

6/12 should be played with $2 chips. I've never played 6/12, but have played 9/18 with $3 chips. 3 chip/6chip with a 2 chip small blind is my favorite limit structure. I've never seen a person struggle with it.

The benefit of all 1 denom is that you don't need to know how to make a $36 bet, you just need to know its 12 chips to you.

Yeah. I've never played with a $2 chip. I've played 10/20 at the Bellagio with $5 chips and that obviously works well.

It's always best to have one denom in any limit game imo. I just don't think using $5s (especially for a home game) is as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

 

[Chicken Rob]

Yeah. I've never played with a $2 chip. I've played 10/20 at the Bellagio with $5 chips and that obviously works well.

It's always best to have one denom in any limit game imo. I just don't think using $5s (especially for a home game) is as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

I don't think it's a big deal, but it is certainly far less desirable.

I've played in a 30/60 that played with $5s at the mirage during the '06 WSOP. The 6 chip/12 chip structure was out of hand. They apparently didn't have enough $10 chips, but had plenty of $5s. The piles were a bit unwieldy.

 

[BGinGA]

That's abut the most positive thing that can be said about playing $3/6 with $5s imo.

The old Sugarloaf game used $1, $5, and $25 chips for all the cash games: 1/2 NL, 2/4 limit, and 3/6 limit.

I never complained, 'cuz I like the 20th Century $5 chip a lot. That was a pretty positive thing in my book.

 

[ohio3302016]

I don't think it's a big deal, but it is certainly far less desirable.

I've played in a 30/60 that played with $5s at the mirage during the '06 WSOP. The 6 chip/12 chip structure was out of hand. They apparently didn't have enough $10 chips, but had plenty of $5s. The piles were a bit unwieldy.

Wouldn't that be exactly the same as playing 6/12 with all $1 chips?

 

[jbutler]

Wouldn't that be exactly the same as playing 6/12 with all $1 chips?

Yeah both of those ($6/12 with $1s or $30/60 with $5s) sound like nightmares to me. I draw the line at 4-chip/8-chip structures, which I don't actually prefer, but are tolerable. After that it's a mess.

 

[ohio3302016]

Yeah both of those ($6/12 with $1s or $30/60 with $5s) sound like nightmares to me. I draw the line at 4-chip/8-chip structures, which I don't actually prefer, but are tolerable. After that it's a mess.

Yeah, that was basically my point. Using some $5 in a 3/6 game with a full kill isn't necessarily a bad thing and can actually speed the game along.

 

[jbutler]

Yeah, that was basically my point. Using some $5 in a 3/6 game with a full kill isn't necessarily a bad thing and can actually speed the game along.

Still disagree very strongly with this.

 

[ohio3302016]

Still disagree very strongly with this.

What would you suggest (outside of having a $2 or $3 denom made)? Just deal with the nightmare of all those $1's?

 

[jbutler]

What would you suggest (outside of having a $2 or $3 denom made)? Just deal with the nightmare of all those $1's?

I'm not sure why having $2 or $3 chips is out of the question, but supposing it is, and you want to spread $3/6 with a full kill, yes, dealing with $1s in the minority of pots that are killed is much preferable to putting $5s on the table.

If a game is particularly wild and you expect the full kill to be hit more often than not, I'd suggest lowering the limits to $2/4 and playing with $1s or raising the limits to $5/10 and playing with $5s.

 

[ohio3302016]

I'm not sure why having $2 or $3 chips is out of the question, but supposing it is, and you want to spread $3/6 with a full kill, yes, dealing with $1s in the minority of pots that are killed is much preferable to putting $5s on the table.

If a game is particularly wild and you expect the full kill to be hit more often than not, I'd suggest lowering the limits to $2/4 and playing with $1s or raising the limits to $5/10 and playing with $5s.

Makes sense.

I was just talking about a situation where someone already has a set and doesn't necessarily want to add to it by creating a new denom.

 

[jbutler]

Makes sense.

I was just talking about a situation where someone already has a set and doesn't necessarily want to add to it by creating a new denom.

I think if someone's trying to simply make due with what they have pretty much anything goes. But if someone is trying to adapt their set to a regular limit game or create a set for that game then you can get a little pickier and start adjusting to individual preferences.

I'll advocate again as I have in other threads for the structure of a game I play here that features a mix of $1/2 NL and PL games and $5/10 (sometimes $5/10/15) limit games. I agree that a 1-chip/2-chip (sometimes 1-/2-/3-chip) structure isn't necessarily optimal in every respect, but if it's a loose game it will really end up being a 2-chip/4-chip game most of the time anyway.

Plus, the game is playable with $1s and $5s which is what most of us have in our sets, so it doesn't require a huge add-on and because the limit rounds are $5/10, you don't need to start everyone out with mounds and mounds of chips. Most folks start with 60 $5s and the game plays great. Just a suggestion for those who might want to try to mix some limit games into your normal $1/2 NLHE/PLO game.

 

[Chicken Rob]

Wouldn't that be exactly the same as playing 6/12 with all $1 chips?

Kind of. I assure you 30/60 is a tighter game even in '06 than 6/12 ever is, and it was still unwieldy.

 

[MacGrad]

I know the discussion here has been around $2/$4 limit, as that might be a prominent game in the US, but have you ever thought of changing it slightly to a $2/$5 (which seems to be the lowest level for a FL game in Ontario)?

Your workhorse chip becomes the $5, and lessens the need to purchase a rack of $1s per player. Depending on how loose your table is, your starting stack could range from a half rack of $1s and 10 $5 chips to a full rack of $1s...

 

[Chicken Rob]

I know the discussion here has been around $2/$4 limit, as that might be a prominent game in the US, but have you ever thought of changing it slightly to a $2/$5 (which seems to be the lowest level for a FL game in Ontario)?

Your workhorse chip becomes the $5, and lessens the need to purchase a rack of $1s per player. Depending on how loose your table is, your starting stack could range from a half rack of $1s and 10 $5 chips to a full rack of $1s...

I think you're thinking of 2/5 NL which is very common.

Most limit games have a big bet that is twice the small bet.

 

[MacGrad]

I think you're thinking of 2/5 NL which is very common.

Most limit games have a big bet that is twice the small bet.

Actually, outside of 1 casino close to the NY border, most of the provincial government-run/regulated casinos only spread FL at $2/$5, $5/$10, $10/$20, and $20/$40 (with the occasional high-roller game that's held in the VIP area).

If there's a benefit to this, it's that we can usually tell the tourists from the regulars -- when they sit down, some Americans will try to bet $4 on the turn/river, only to be corrected by the dealer.

(It's been a while since I've been to Vancouver, so maybe some of the BC members can vouch for what games are spread out west.)

 

[Chicken Rob]

Actually, outside of 1 casino close to the NY border, most of the provincial government-run/regulated casinos only spread FL at $2/$5, $5/$10, $10/$20, and $20/$40 (with the occasional high-roller game that's held in the VIP area).

If there's a benefit to this, it's that we can usually tell the tourists from the regulars -- when they sit down, some Americans will try to bet $4 on the turn/river, only to be corrected by the dealer.

(It's been a while since I've been to Vancouver, so maybe some of the BC members can vouch for what games are spread out west.)

Weird structure. Never seen it.

i would think you'd need either a ton of 1s for the $2 betting rounds and a ton of 5s for the $5 betting rounds. The beauty of a well run limit game is you can play it with a single chip.

 

[moose]

Mostly it is a white chip game.