Jason Mercier Bracelet Bet vs. Vanessa Selbst (1 Viewer)

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I agree seems a little aggressive..

Very Aggreewsieeve

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Chicken, I don't think Jason is known as a douche but lets get something straight that to me is always obvious. Just about all professional players who are under 30 (Jason is 29) have the hate at them by one person or another. Many people in the poker community, whether its due to envy, scorned loss or social affiliations will bring out the haterade (did I just write that?) in social media or social circles about player A or player B. The truth is, until a major scam/theft/deceit is exposed about a player (all the worst things in the gambo world), that person is under middle school social assignments by the general public. Its like the "Football player X is an asshole in real life, he didn't sign my jersey" yet the complainer is unaware that the guy is late for a life thing.

As far as dealer Jenn being the source of the story, her boyfriend is a fuckin douche so maybe she has a weird translation of things.
 

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Chicken, I don't think Jason is known as a douche but lets get something straight that to me is always obvious. Just about all professional players who are under 30 (Jason is 29) have the hate at them by one person or another. Many people in the poker community, whether its due to envy, scorned loss or social affiliations will bring out the haterade (did I just write that?) in social media or social circles about player A or player B. The truth is, until a major scam/theft/deceit is exposed about a player (all the worst things in the gambo world), that person is under middle school social assignments by the general public. Its like the "Football player X is an asshole in real life, he didn't sign my jersey" yet the complainer is unaware that the guy is late for a life thing.

As far as dealer Jenn being the source of the story, her boyfriend is a fuckin douche so maybe she has a weird translation of things.

cliffs:

high-roller poker circles have cliques, too. don't believe everything you hear/read.
 

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Chicken, I don't think Jason is known as a douche but lets get something straight that to me is always obvious. Just about all professional players who are under 30 (Jason is 29) have the hate at them by one person or another. Many people in the poker community, whether its due to envy, scorned loss or social affiliations will bring out the haterade (did I just write that?) in social media or social circles about player A or player B. The truth is, until a major scam/theft/deceit is exposed about a player (all the worst things in the gambo world), that person is under middle school social assignments by the general public. Its like the "Football player X is an asshole in real life, he didn't sign my jersey" yet the complainer is unaware that the guy is late for a life thing.

As far as dealer Jenn being the source of the story, her boyfriend is a fuckin douche so maybe she has a weird translation of things.
Jenn wasn't the source. It was a reg at her game.

I agree that the haterade flows freely, that's why I'm looking to see if there's any substance before I start rooting against him.

No scandals uncovered by my half hearted attempt, so I'm able to root for him. It's fun to root for a phenom on a heater. I just needed to shed my baggage first (which I clearly was skeptical of).
 

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Checking out to see if the $2500 Mixed Triple Draw had started yet and noticed Steve Albini is still a stud. Run it up, Steve!

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Checking out to see if the $2500 Mixed Triple Draw had started yet and noticed Steve Albini is still a stud. Run it up, Steve!

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The Steve Albini? Had no idea he played.

"When the cat's away, it's a regular rat day. When the rat's away, King cat, King cat, cat hey!"
 

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The Steve Albini? Had no idea he played.

"When the cat's away, it's a regular rat day. When the rat's away, King cat, King cat, cat hey!"

Yeah he's been a WSOP reg for a while now. And evidently hosts some of the best in the world at his low stakes home game in Chicago. Don't know how to look it up but he did guest commentating with Tuchman during some of the streams last year and was super entertaining (not a shock to anyone who is familiar with him obv).
 

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Mercier is boring as fuck and not "good for tv", he is just socially awkward, like all those just-turned 21 kids that quit their engineering degree 3 days away from completion to go pro.

But Vanessa, she's just nasty, miserable. Everytime I see here she's berating other players, rolling her eyes because someone called her bluff and "how could they possibly call?" etc.

She's far worse for the game imo and I have to root for Mercier on this one.
 

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I've been reading several articles about this bet/situation. While I'm not a big fan of regulation, the WSOP may have to consider putting restrictions on such action.

This sort of thing can get out of hand very quickly and be detrimental to the long-term health of tournament poker. I mean, "where does it end"? At what point does this cross the line from a standard poker tournament to a complex scheme of staking, collusion, team work, etc.

For the integrity of tournament poker, I hope this doesn't get any uglier.
 

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I've been reading several articles about this bet/situation. While I'm not a big fan of regulation, the WSOP may have to consider putting restrictions on such action.

This sort of thing can get out of hand very quickly and be detrimental to the long-term health of tournament poker. I mean, "where does it end"? At what point does this cross the line from a standard poker tournament to a complex scheme of staking, collusion, team work, etc.

For the integrity of tournament poker, I hope this doesn't get any uglier.
I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. Many events are 10 k with 100-200 people. For them to stake people they would be getting even worse odds then the original bet. So if you stake 10 people in a 10k even that is 100k right there and your odds of winning the event are 10% or lower. So there really wouldn't be a scheme to try and take him out in so many events. You are living in a fantasy land.
 

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I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. Many events are 10 k with 100-200 people. For them to stake people they would be getting even worse odds then the original bet. So if you stake 10 people in a 10k even that is 100k right there and your odds of winning the event are 10% or lower. So there really wouldn't be a scheme to try and take him out in so many events. You are living in a fantasy land.

--> I am blowing this way out of proportion. I am living in a fantasy land.

I wasn't aware I made any outlandish statements. Anyway, thanks for your opinion on my thoughts.
 

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--> I am blowing this way out of proportion. I am living in a fantasy land.

I wasn't aware I made any outlandish statements. Anyway, thanks for your opinion on my thoughts.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to stake people to try and take him out. Even if someone staked 10 people (in only one event) to try and take him out, that is already a 100k investment. Even if you are the Selbst side of the bet, she actually still has the odds to win it. The chance of him winning another bracelet are pretty low. Each tourney he enters he has a less than a 1 percent chance of winning. That is why I said you were living in a fantasy land that the whole WSOP is revolving around this side bet that most people don't actually care about.
 

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---> ...you were living in a fantasy land that the whole WSOP is revolving around this side bet that most people don't actually care about.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that when you start getting into a $1.8m payout, there is a lot of potential for non-traditional "things" to start happening. I probably am not communicating what that might be...but the point is, the WSOP should be about playing good poker and winning poker tournaments. It should be about winning a bracelet for the bracelet. The press and publicity shouldn't be about players getting drunk, making stupid bets that equal a lifetime-of-pay, being pissed at each other, etc.

IMO, it is not in the best interest of the WSOP and the game of poker to let these type of stories steal the limelight. I liken "this bet" to concussions in the NFL. Are they going to happen, hell yeah. But for the sake of the game, let's try and limit the publicity it gets. I see nothing positive (long-term) to these type of big bets. I think it can lead to things far more complex than you and I could ever conceive.
 

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---> ...you were living in a fantasy land that the whole WSOP is revolving around this side bet that most people don't actually care about.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that when you start getting into a $1.8m payout, there is a lot of potential for non-traditional "things" to start happening. I probably am not communicating what that might be...but the point is, the WSOP should be about playing good poker and winning poker tournaments. It should be about winning a bracelet for the bracelet. The press and publicity shouldn't be about players getting drunk, making stupid bets that equal a lifetime-of-pay, being pissed at each other, etc.

IMO, it is not in the best interest of the WSOP and the game of poker to let these type of stories steal the limelight. I liken "this bet" to concussions in the NFL. Are they going to happen, hell yeah. But for the sake of the game, let's try and limit the publicity it gets. I see nothing positive (long-term) to these type of big bets. I think it can lead to things far more complex than you and I could ever conceive.

The general public has no idea this bet exists.
 

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---> ...you were living in a fantasy land that the whole WSOP is revolving around this side bet that most people don't actually care about.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that when you start getting into a $1.8m payout, there is a lot of potential for non-traditional "things" to start happening. I probably am not communicating what that might be...but the point is, the WSOP should be about playing good poker and winning poker tournaments. It should be about winning a bracelet for the bracelet. The press and publicity shouldn't be about players getting drunk, making stupid bets that equal a lifetime-of-pay, being pissed at each other, etc.

IMO, it is not in the best interest of the WSOP and the game of poker to let these type of stories steal the limelight. I liken "this bet" to concussions in the NFL. Are they going to happen, hell yeah. But for the sake of the game, let's try and limit the publicity it gets. I see nothing positive (long-term) to these type of big bets. I think it can lead to things far more complex than you and I could ever conceive.
Yeah I hear you…Its all we talk about on here! Might as well put 20k on him to win every event!
 

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Guy at a game last night wanted to bet that Mercier wouldn't hit number 3 and asked me for a price. I told him I'd bet him any amount up to my $100 with him laying 4:1 but it was really just a quick best guess.

Anyone have a strong opinion as to Jason's odds on number 3? Guy thought my 4:1 was too high so no bet here.
 

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Tough call. He's got so much motivation to get it. I'd have to say it's closer to a coin flip at this point.
 
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