I've uninstalled P* once again (1 Viewer)

[chkmte]

Welp, I've uninstalled P* once again. I'm sure others have probably felt the same way - but for me and my time, online poker is just ridiculous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it develops bad habits. It seems the only way to win an all-in is to go in behind. Nobody ever folds. Wah, wah, wah. Going to do something more productive with what little free time I have - like pound my weiner with a bag of glass marbles.

 

[Eloe2000]

I found the PCF tournaments to be good play.

Our home game group was playing on Pstars weekly but started to burn out because of a couple donkeys. I have been working to get it back on track though.

 

[Legend5555]

Says every player that has never grinded for hundreds of thousands of hands online before.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I had an awful online session last night with bad beats galore. I got it in good several times and lost.

This is what you want.

Yeah, it sucks in the short term. But keep making good decisions and get in some volume, and you will make money.

Also, going back and forth between this kind of game and a game with players who aren't terrible is very good for improving your ability to adjust to table conditions.

 

[shorticus]

I had an awful online session last night with bad beats galore. I got it in good several times and lost.

This is what you want.

Yeah, it sucks in the short term. But keep making good decisions and get in some volume, and you will make money.

Also, going back and forth between this kind of game and a game with players who aren't terrible is very good for improving your ability to adjust to table conditions.

This 100%.
I’ve found myself getting it in good lately only to see some pretty sick runouts (granted, I’ve made some bad decisions too), and it’s really hard to think it will ever end. You just have to stick to good solid play and remember that over the long term your play should have you ahead.

Good Luck at the Tables!

 

[Colquhoun]

Bad sessions with people playing against their odds and still winning drives me crazy too.
That’s when I take a break for a bit. I realized that you tend to more easily remember the hand where someone didn’t play the odds and still beat you....and we more easily forget the hands we played correctly and won.

 

[shorticus]

Bad sessions with people playing against their odds and still winning drives me crazy too.
That’s when I take a break for a bit. I realized that you tend to more easily remember the hand where someone didn’t play the odds and still beat you....and we more easily forget the hands we played correctly and won.

More importantly, we also forget the hands we played poorly and got lucky. I think you have to evaluate your game as a whole. I realized this in a conversation with a fellow PCFer. As players we tend to remember the extremes, the big wins and the big losses, but there’s more to it than that.

 

[Kain8]

I had an awful online session last night with bad beats galore. I got it in good several times and lost.

This is what you want.

Yeah, it sucks in the short term. But keep making good decisions and get in some volume, and you will make money.

Also, going back and forth between this kind of game and a game with players who aren't terrible is very good for improving your ability to adjust to table conditions.

While I agree in concept with all this, unless you have a virtually inexhaustible bankroll for the stakes you're playing, constant beats and poor variance can make you:

1. Financially exhausted when you reach a weekly / monthly loss limit.

2. Mentally exhausted from wanting to play at all because you're not winning your fair share of pots according to your EV.

3. Realize that the race to the bottom of online poker is rife with people who are gathering even more data on their HUDs than you are. So unless you strive for that same amount of volume as they do, you're theoretically behind the 8 ball anytime you sit down on the virtual felt.


If you're able to just play private online games, the fun factor can easily be replenished while still allowing you to play competitvely and booking wins.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I cut my poker teeth online, and I was seriously bummed on Black Friday. Living in a casino free state makes it even worse.

But when the pandemic started pushing everyone online, I was a little pumped. Soon, I came to realise that I didn't enjoy it anywhere close to live poker. Now I just live for the occasional home game, and enjoy it to it's fullest extent.

 

[Frogzilla]

You uninstalled because no one is folding...why not just underbluff and go for paperthin value?

 

[shorticus]

3. Realize that the race to the bottom of online poker is rife with people who are gathering even more data on their HUDs than you are. So unless you strive for that same amount of volume as they do, you're theoretically behind the 8 ball anytime you sit down on the virtual felt.

FUCK HUDs. I quit online poker for life!

 

[Darthhoodie]

I haven't played online poker for real money in at least 10 years, is shark scope still a thing? I can remember that program telling me all I needed to know about the entire table. I'm sure the programs are way more elaborate now. It was fun telling my buddy that they rated him a 3 fish bowl fish, he was fing pissed. I started on Paradise poker, then went to UB, then full tilt. Now it's live poker or a private online game with people I know in real life.

 

[Ronoh]

I played on dozens of different sites over the last 20 years, had over a million hands played on PokerStars. The one thing I learned is the most common thing you tend to hear while playing online poker is some variation of:

“This shit only happens on (insert whatever random poker site one happens to be playing on at the moment)”.

 

[shorticus]

I played on dozens of different sites over the last 20 years, had over a million hands played on PokerStars. The one thing I learned is the most common thing you tend to hear while playing online poker is some variation of:

“This shit only happens on (insert whatever random poker site one happens to be playing on at the moment)”.

Facts!!!

 

[Marhault]

I'm a firm believer that the calls made in online poker wouldn't be made in live poker the vast majority of the time.

I premise this by saying I'm a terrible poker player but even when I play right I get called down by shit and lose 9 times out of 10.

My problem with online poker is that normal strategy is out the window because you're gonna get called down everytime and then you're at the mercy of the RNG. Anyone with a bullet in their hand with literally any other card or suit is playing it like they have pocket aces.

I do think huds are bullshit though. That's the biggest area where online is different than live.

 

[Seeking Alpha Social Club]

Welp, I've uninstalled P* once again. I'm sure others have probably felt the same way - but for me and my time, online poker is just ridiculous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it develops bad habits. It seems the only way to win an all-in is to go in behind. Nobody ever folds. Wah, wah, wah. Going to do something more productive with what little free time I have - like pound my weiner with a bag of glass marbles.

Save your weiner....play live???

 

[chkmte]

Save your weiner....play live???

I’m putting that on a shirt right now.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I do think huds are bullshit though

QFT. Biggest reason I dont even want to play online.

 

[Perthmike]

I got out of line with 46 suited the other day and put myself in a dumb spot where I called off with a pair and a flush draw on the turn, and I didn't even hit my flush .

Online is definitely rigged . I've still got to win $180 of that $300 back from that pesky Texan/kiwi.

 

[Eriks]

If people didn’t chase their draws when they shouldn’t or called down with their weak top pairs, where would your profits come from? Just embrace the variance and keep in mind that the fish need to win once in while to wanna keep playing (donating).

 

[KingC]

Op hasn't given much info. What hands did you jam with from what position? Cash game, tourney? Effective stacks? How may sessions and how many hands?

Just a few days ago I was the small stack in a tourney and jammed with AK, K2 called, flopped a pair of Aces and got runner runnered. Lost to trip deuces. But hey, those are the breaks and that's how poker works sometimes. I've also jammed with 3bb with AQ and 2 people left and both players had AK and I lost. I've come to acknowledge variance and volume, you should too.

 

[BGinGA]

Welp, I've uninstalled P* once again. I'm sure others have probably felt the same way - but for me and my time, online poker is just ridiculous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it develops bad habits. It seems the only way to win an all-in is to go in behind. Nobody ever folds. Wah, wah, wah. Going to do something more productive with what little free time I have - like pound my weiner with a bag of glass marbles.

I question whether you have the proper mindset for poker, in any setting.....

 

[HMK]

I agree with @Marhault, a lot of plays that happens online probobly wouldn't happen in live poker. And I don't claim to not do stupid calls out of boredom or playing too many tables from time to time either. Also, it's easy to remember the suck outs, not so much when your premium hand held up against rags. I still remember me holding pocket kings, flop comes K33, the other guy shoves, obviously i call, he's got A9 or something similar, basicly next to dead. Turn 3. Yeah he has no chance now. River 3. Wtf?

I guess what i'm saying is shit happens.

 

[CraigT78]

I got out of line with 46 suited the other day and put myself in a dumb spot where I called off with a pair and a flush draw on the turn, and I didn't even hit my flush .

Online is definitely rigged . I've still got to win $180 of that $300 back from that pesky Texan/kiwi.

I stacked that pesky kiwi twice last night. It sure felt good.

 

[CraigT78]

In the words of a salty old pro - play better?

 

[Highli99]

It amuses me that some individuals, when faced with a reckoning over their results, would prefer to leave the game and blame variance rather than putting in the hard work to plug leaks in their game or adjust their strategy given the tendencies of their competition.

Poker is a game of skill. There are countless ways to improve. You are not running any worse than anyone else. The app developers do not want to ”screw you”.

Consider how your own play has created the situations where you lose. Without going into a deep hand history analysis I'm going to hypothesize that a general recommendation will be that you need to fold pre a lot more. Suboptimal starting ranges is the root cause of losses for 90+ percent of losing players I okay with on a regular basis.

Carry on......

 

[BukNaked36]

Tolerating the swings online is just weird. I'm sure I have some leaks to fix but was generally playing standard ABC poker

I ran $200 up to $2500 in cash play with 2 losing sessions over roughly a month

I then ran it back down without a winning session. Including

- Losing 3 preflop all ins with KK in less than 2 minutes for a $300 loss (2 losses to AA, 1 to AK)

- Losing with my top set to a lower set that rivered quads twice in an hour

How can you run like crap on 6 tables simultaneously for a 3 hour session? Then do it again the next day?

 

[shorticus]

It amuses me that some individuals, when faced with a reckoning over their results, would prefer to leave the game and blame variance rather than putting in the hard work to plug leaks in their game or adjust their strategy given the tendencies of their competition.

Poker is a game of skill. There are countless ways to improve. You are not running any worse than anyone else. The app developers do not want to ”screw you”.

Consider how your own play has created the situations where you lose. Without going into a deep hand history analysis I'm going to hypothesize that a general recommendation will be that you need to fold pre a lot more. Suboptimal starting ranges is the root cause of losses for 90+ percent of losing players I okay with on a regular basis.

Carry on......

you ever considered getting into coaching or motivational speaking?

 

[shorticus]

Tolerating the swings online is just weird. I'm sure I have some leaks to fix but was generally playing standard ABC poker

I ran $200 up to $2500 in cash play with 2 losing sessions over roughly a month

I then ran it back down without a winning session. Including

- Losing 3 preflop all ins with KK in less than 2 minutes for a $300 loss (2 losses to AA, 1 to AK)

- Losing with my top set to a lower set that rivered quads twice in an hour

How can you run like crap on 6 tables simultaneously for a 3 hour session? Then do it again the next day?

Variance (commonly used poker word that seems to apply in everything)

 

[Legend5555]

Tolerating the swings online is just weird. I'm sure I have some leaks to fix but was generally playing standard ABC poker

I ran $200 up to $2500 in cash play with 2 losing sessions over roughly a month

I then ran it back down without a winning session. Including

- Losing 3 preflop all ins with KK in less than 2 minutes for a $300 loss (2 losses to AA, 1 to AK)

- Losing with my top set to a lower set that rivered quads twice in an hour

How can you run like crap on 6 tables simultaneously for a 3 hour session? Then do it again the next day?

Very easily. That's why for NLHE you need like a 50 buyin (if not more) bankroll if you are playing as a pro or semi-pro.