Is This a Sandwich? (1 Viewer)

[Jimulacrum]

I mean to address the general claim of whether a food item is still a sandwich if these two conditions are met:

1. The underlying food item would otherwise qualify as a sandwich (in this case, a hot turkey sandwich).
2. The food in question is completely enveloped in some kind of liquefied sauce or condiment (in this case, gravy).

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I mean to address the general claim of whether a food item is still a sandwich if these two conditions are met:

1. The underlying food item would otherwise qualify as a sandwich (in this case, a hot turkey sandwich).
2. The food in question is completely enveloped in some kind of liquefied sauce or condiment (in this case, gravy).

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Yes, sandwiches soaked in something is still a sandwich, but I cannot include the mashed potatoes in said sandwich, for it exists solely and wholely outside the bread slices.

 

[Tony_M]

This would be called a "hot open sandwich" if you removed the top bread slices before drenching so yeah, I'd still call this a sandwich.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Yes, sandwiches soaked in something is still a sandwich, but I cannot include the mashed potatoes in said sandwich, for it exists solely and wholely outside the bread slices.

Fair point on the mashed potato or scoop of ice cream or whatever that is.

I wonder, though, how far you are willing to take the soaked-sandwich logic. (We'll treat "soaked" as a synonym for "enveloped.")

Suppose I make a pastrami sandwich and, upon completion, drop the entire sandwich into a deep pot of chili. Is the pot of chili now a sandwich?

 

[abby99]

Of course it's a sandwich, unlike one of my favorite snacks as a kid: bread smothered in gravy (no meat unless you think gravy is meat). The sandwich in the photo can certainly be eaten from the hands/fingers like any other sandwich provided that the diner doesn't mind a bit of a mess.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Of course it's a sandwich, unlike one of my favorite snacks as a kid: bread smothered in gravy (no meat unless you think gravy is meat). The sandwich in the photo can certainly be eaten from the hands/fingers like any other sandwich provided that the diner doesn't mind a bit of a mess.

I mean, I can theoretically eat a bowl of clam chowder with my hands if I don't care about the mess. If I throw a slice of bread on top, does that make it a sandwich?

 

[Jimulacrum]

This would be called a "hot open sandwich" if you removed the top bread slices before drenching so yeah, I'd still call this a sandwich.

What if we put all the ingredients directly on the plate, put a slice of bread on top, and then drown it in gravy? Still a sandwich or nah?

 

[Jimulacrum]

I find it pretty funny that I have 3 replies here saying it's a sandwich, but the poll is 1 Yes and 3 Noes.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Fair point on the mashed potato or scoop of ice cream or whatever that is.

I wonder, though, how far you are willing to take the soaked-sandwich logic. (We'll treat "soaked" as a synonym for "enveloped.")

Suppose I make a pastrami sandwich and, upon completion, drop the entire sandwich into a deep pot of chili. Is the pot of chili now a sandwich?

No, BUT the sandwich, if it is still intact and not dissolved, is still a sandwich! Just a submerged sandwich. The pot is not inside the bread just cause the bread is inside it.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Perhaps the true answer lies in a new form of sandwich, which we may dub:

submerged sandwich

 

[Jimulacrum]

No, BUT the sandwich, if it is still intact and not dissolved, is still a sandwich! Just a submerged sandwich. The pot is not inside the bread just cause the bread is inside it.

Actually, though, let's consider the photo here. The sandwich is not entirely submerged, merely enveloped in the liquid, but one could certainly add more gravy.

Suppose we add more gravy. More and more and more until the plate cannot contain it (and then we stop, silly).

Is this still a sandwich, sitting in a shallow bowl of gravy? Is it a form of soup? Does it become a sandwich when you pick it up to bite it, but turn back into soup when you put it back down? Is there some other analysis that makes sense?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Actually, though, let's consider the photo here. The sandwich is not entirely submerged, merely enveloped in the liquid, but one could certainly add more gravy.

Suppose we add more gravy. More and more and more until the plate cannot contain it (and then we stop, silly).

Is this still a sandwich, sitting in a shallow bowl of gravy? Is it a form of soup? Does it become a sandwich when you pick it up to bite it, but turn back into soup when you put it back down? Is there some other analysis that makes sense?

Lmao, alright, following.

That plate would be called something else, BUT when describing the food, I would say it included a sandwich. But I wouldnt call the entire meal/plate a sandwich. You're right that the line becomes.....FLUID.

 

[BigJackJones]

Is this still a sandwich, sitting in a de facto shallow bowl of gravy? Is it a form of soup?

Well, it is then a lunch special soup and sandwich.

Edit: If nobody has invented ice cream and gravy... they should

 

[BPTDirector]

I'd eat it no matter what you call it.

 

[abby99]

What if we put all the ingredients directly on the plate, put a slice of bread on top, and then drown it in gravy? Still a sandwich or nah?

Nope. But it is an open-face sandwich when bread is the bottom layer.

Re the OP, I'd put the mashed potatoes inside the sandwich.

Actually, though, let's consider the photo here. The sandwich is not entirely submerged, merely enveloped in the liquid, but one could certainly add more gravy.

Suppose we add more gravy. More and more and more until the plate cannot contain it (and then we stop, silly).

Is this still a sandwich, sitting in a shallow bowl of gravy? Is it a form of soup? Does it become a sandwich when you pick it up to bite it, but turn back into soup when you put it back down? Is there some other analysis that makes sense?

Could that be called Schrödinger's sandwich, or perhaps Schrödinger's soup? In any event, that concoction takes "soup-and-a-sandwich" to an entirely new level!

 

[kirchhausen]

I mean to address the general claim of whether a food item is still a sandwich if these two conditions are met:

1. The underlying food item would otherwise qualify as a sandwich (in this case, a hot turkey sandwich).
2. The food in question is completely enveloped in some kind of liquefied sauce or condiment (in this case, gravy).

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[Colquhoun]

This is what the day after Thanksgiving looked like for me growing up. The best.
The one above is missing the stuffing, but it most definiely is a sandwich.

 

[Jimulacrum]

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We never did this before. You must be thinking of hot dogs.

 

[ngmcs8203]

This is what the day after Thanksgiving looked like for me growing up. The best.
The one above is missing the stuffing, but it most definiely is a sandwich.

Exactly. An open face roasted turkey sandwich needs cranberry sauce and stuffing.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Nope. But it is an open-face sandwich when bread is the bottom layer.

Re the OP, I'd put the mashed potatoes inside the sandwich.


Could that be called Schrödinger's sandwich, or perhaps Schrödinger's soup? In any event, that concoction takes "soup-and-a-sandwich" to an entirely new level!'

Schrödinger's soupwich FTW.

 

[Highli99]

An open sandwich is a sandwich only insomuch as an open marriage is a marriage.

Proceed accordingly.

 

[kirchhausen]

We never did this before. You must be thinking of hot dogs.

Fine. smothered sandwich, sub-category or cousin or whatever of actual sandwich

 

[ngmcs8203]

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Fine. smothered sandwich, sub-category or cousin or whatever of actual sandwich

Now I’m hungry

 

[Swarlos]

Not a sandwich. Unless biscuits and gravy is also a sandwich.... hold on I need to ponder my life decisions.

 

[kirchhausen]

Not a sandwich. Unless biscuits and gravy is also a sandwich.... hold on I need to ponder my life decisions.

When there is nothing inside the biscuits, no sandwich. If you put the gravy on a breakfast sandwich, even if it is made with a biscuit, I would contend that its is a smothered sandwich.

SANDWICH

NOT A SANDWICH

 

[Machine]

So, I'm with @abby99 its a sandwich.

I would like to note that the ideology for a sandwich is something you can eat and would typically infer (especially today) a clean or less mess food item. I would say we all have a threshold for eating this sandwich with our hands. Day 3 of fasting and you won't think twice of snagging this and licking the underlying hooker juice off your dirty fingers to get at the suckling of the gravy once the bread and meat are gone.

On the other hand, I disagree with @abby99 on the 'upside down' version, where meat is touching the plate and bread on top of it, a flick of the wrist, a rotation of the plate and like magic, its an open face sandwich.

 

[Swarlos]

What if the bread is toasted and cut into pieces and then placed in a bowl with some lettuce and possibly some chicken and other garnishments?

 

[Jimulacrum]

On the other hand, I disagree with @abby99 on the 'upside down' version, where meat is touching the plate and bread on top of it, a flick of the wrist, a rotation of the plate and like magic, its an open face sandwich.

In other words, multiple steps later, it is a sandwich, so that makes it a sandwich.

By this standard, a seagull stealing a slice of bread is a sandwich.

 

[Jimulacrum]

What if the bread is toasted and cut into pieces and then placed in a bowl with some lettuce and possibly some chicken and other garnishments?

Whoa buddy, let's stay in reality here.

 

[jr8719]

Is this a sandwich then?