Tourney How Is This Turbo Structure For 3-Hour Sorority Tournament? (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

Next month we've got 30-35 ladies coming to the poker club to participate in an invitational tournament. But we need to end the tournament in around 3 hours time. So was considering this structure with bb ante

Starting Stack: 12K
Blinds: 15 minutes


100/200 - 200 ante

200/400 - 400 ante

300/600 - 600 ante

400/800 - 800 ante


- 10 minute break - color up 100 chips

500/1000 - 1000 bb ante

1000/2000 - 2000 bb ante

1500/3000 - 3000 bb ante

2000/4000 - 4000 bb ante

2500/5000 - 5000 bb ante

- 10 minute break - color up 500 chips

3000/6000 - 6000 bb ante

4000/8000 - 8000 bb ante

5000/10000 - 10000 bb ante


So that's 3 hours and 20 minutes with breaks. If we've got 35 players that's 420K in play, so down to 3-handed average stack is 140k each.

A lot of these ladies will be brand new to poker, so not sure if we should ditch the BB ante and maybe just make levels only 10 minutes each or something?

 

[NeutronHim]

I think you should ditch the bb ante. Hang up a sign with hand strengths.

 

[ekricket]

Next month we've got 30-35 ladies coming to the poker club to participate in an invitational tournament. But we need to end the tournament in around 3 hours time. So was considering this structure with bb ante

Starting Stack: 12K
Blinds: 15 minutes


100/200 - 200 ante

200/400 - 400 ante

300/600 - 600 ante

400/800 - 800 ante


- 10 minute break - color up 100 chips

500/1000 - 1000 bb ante

1000/2000 - 2000 bb ante

1500/3000 - 3000 bb ante

2000/4000 - 4000 bb ante

2500/5000 - 5000 bb ante

- 10 minute break - color up 500 chips

3000/6000 - 6000 bb ante

4000/8000 - 8000 bb ante

5000/10000 - 10000 bb ante


So that's 3 hours and 20 minutes with breaks. If we've got 35 players that's 420K in play, so down to 3-handed average stack is 140k each.

A lot of these ladies will be brand new to poker, so not sure if we should ditch the BB ante and maybe just make levels only 10 minutes each or something?

These are people that “chip leader” means the player with 60 $100 chips and not the guy with 40 $5000 chips.
You should also maybe consider a limit tournament? Otherwise it may be over in three levels. They will go all in just because their friend did.

 

[wickedwonka121]

Giggity

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Bb ante speeds it up but I think your instincts are correct, adds another thing for them to do. Explaining that the minimum bet is 200 is a lot easier when SarahJane just put 200 in, not 400.

Expect a few to take it seriously and others to just be there to have funcfor 30-45 minutes, thats fine. Your dealers will make or break this! No robots or snapping when rules get broken, smiles and jokes while teaching the game.

 

[chippitydoodah]

If these women take as long to decide to play their hand as they take to decide where they'd like to go to dinner, then the blinds will go up every hand

 

[tabletalker7]

Do you have T25 chips or is this a T100 base? If you have T25 chips I would keep the structure but replace the BB ante with a regular ante. Round 1 would be 25 ante blinds 100/200, round 2 would be 50 ante blinds 200/400 ....... You get it. And a regular ante is easier for casual players to remember

 

[Gunnar]

No ante, longer levels and bigger blind jumps are better in this rare case.

 

[mipevi]

I agree with @Gunnar, lose the BB ante and start with just 10k each to compensate. I would start with longer levels early and tighten it up towards the end when there aren’t as many players remaining.

100/200 - 30 mins
200/400 - 30 mins
400/800 - 20 mins
800/1600 - 20 mins
1500/3000 - 20 mins
break - color up the 100’s and 500’s
3000/6000 - 15 mins
5000/10000 - 15 mins
10000/20000 - 15 mins
20000/40000 - 15 mins

That’s 3 hours + break. Maybe add a few 10 min levels with similar jumps to the end just in case.

 

[Rakrul]

So every year our company has a customer seminar where at the evening we have a 2-table freeroll where 80% are newbies. You'll see very little aggression and tons of multi-way limping. Those who are aggressive are over the top aggressive, betting 4x the pot in the early stages and often going out first. People will call down aggressors pretty light eventually. They have no concept of chip value, pot, potodds, etc. and they certainly don't care about the structure.

I thought I wanted to start off easy with low blinds at first, then turn the screws on them but that had the opposite effect. Tons of people suddenly over the top all in bluffed and busted left and right (remember, don't bluff the fish) so I changed it to a pretty linear structure and it turned into a limpfest which is, ironically, what you want here. People get to play lots of hands and bleed chips slowly as everyone is poor (BB wise) and the monkeyshove all-in moves are far between. (All ins with pair vs pair still happens though.)

I'd definitely would drop antes, that's just confusing the hell out of them. You might want to introduce it at the last levels, so they can brag of how they made it to when they started with antes which kinda turns into "the final boss"-thing. It's also a security value ensuring they don't nit up completely and just passes the button around, although it's very rarely needed.

It looks like the avg. stack is 14bb at the final level? That's way too much with newbs, 5-7bb avg. is needed here. Remember, they're super loose-passive (compared to GTO) so they'll mostly just shove chips between each others. I might've read that wrong though.

 

[upNdown]

Sorority you say?

 

[Anthony Martino]

Sorority you say?
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Yessir, coming up in September and we'll be livestreaming a feature and then final table. Should be a fun event and thank you to everyone for their input, will ditch the BB ante and keep it simple since many of these players will be brand new

 

[Anthony Martino]

What about this:

10k starting stacks (so 350k in play with 35 players)
10 minute levels

100/200
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200
800/1600

- 1 hour elapsed, 10 minute break, color up 100 chips -

1k/2k
1500/3k
2k/4k
2500/5k

- 10 minute break, color up 500 chips -

3k/6k
4k/8k
5k/10k
6k/12k
8k/16k

- 10 minute break, color up 1k chips-

10k/20k
15k/30k
20k/40k
25k/50k


Level 18 (20k/40k) represents 3 hours of play and we've got 30 minutes in breaks. If they're down to 3-handed play the average stack is 116K or less than 4 bigs each, so that should do the trick to meet the timeline?

 

[BGinGA]

Definitely drop the antes, and increase the initial blind level times to get then settled in.

35 players, 10k stacks (T100-base)

20-minute levels
L1 100 200
L2 200 400
L3 300 600
remove T100 chips
15-minute levels
L4 500 1000
L5 1000 2000
L6 1500 3000
L7 2500 5000
remove T500 and T1000 chips
15-minute levels
L8 5000 10000
L9 10000 20000
L10 15000 30000
L11 20000 40000

Unlikely that 35 players will last past L10 (>12bb), even if noobs.

 

[BGinGA]

With 10-minute levels and talkative noobs, you're looking at 3 hands played per level -- blinds will go up twice per rotation.

Give 'em some time/space to play, and crush the small stacks with big increases.

 

[WedgeRock]

I never thought of making a post to get someone here to do my job for me...

 

[Gunnar]

I never thought of making a post to get someone here to do my work for me...

To be fair if I could post here and get advice on Icelandic Cyber Security and Networking standards and protocols I would probably use it...

 

[Anthony Martino]

I never thought of making a post to get someone here to do my job for me...

I'm gonna need you to work my Saturday shift too.....

 

[GetUrShineBox]

Definitely drop the antes, and increase the initial blind level times to get then settled in.

35 players, 10k stacks (T100-base)

20-minute levels
L1 100 200
L2 200 400
L3 300 600
remove T100 chips
15-minute levels
L4 500 1000
L5 1000 2000
L6 1500 3000
L7 2500 5000
remove T500 and T1000 chips
15-minute levels
L8 5000 10000
L9 10000 20000
L10 15000 30000
L11 20000 40000

Unlikely that 35 players will last past L10 (>12bb), even if noobs.

I Agree with this but maybe keep levels all at 20 minutes bc pace of play will be slow so skip a level or two.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Definitely drop the antes, and increase the initial blind level times to get then settled in.

35 players, 10k stacks (T100-base)

20-minute levels
L1 100 200
L2 200 400
L3 300 600
remove T100 chips
15-minute levels
L4 500 1000
L5 1000 2000
L6 1500 3000
L7 2500 5000
remove T500 and T1000 chips
15-minute levels
L8 5000 10000
L9 10000 20000
L10 15000 30000
L11 20000 40000

Unlikely that 35 players will last past L10 (>12bb), even if noobs.

Good points, give them some leeway in the earlier levels to allow them time to settle in and play for a bit before we start pushing them to the rail

 

[Rakrul]

Just a note on the flyers (if it's not too late), provide a QR code to the channel to make access easier.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Just a note on the flyers (if it's not too late), provide a QR code to the channel to make access easier.

Was just googling this after you posted, but it looks like you need to already have an uploaded video to youtube in order to generate a QR code to point to it. Since this is a livestream there isn't a link to point them to until it begins, unless maybe we did a link that just goes to the "live" page on our youtube channel? Looks like you need to utilize 3rd party services for this as well?

 

[Rakrul]

Yeah, I was just thinking of linking to the channel's page on YT. E.g.: https://www.youtube.com/@HustlerCasinoLive/streams

 

[Anthony Martino]

Yeah, I was just thinking of linking to the channel's page on YT. E.g.: https://www.youtube.com/@HustlerCasinoLive/streams

Great idea, I'm checking with our team to see about getting that done, thank you!

 

[ngmcs8203]

Was just googling this after you posted, but it looks like you need to already have an uploaded video to youtube in order to generate a QR code to point to it. Since this is a livestream there isn't a link to point them to until it begins, unless maybe we did a link that just goes to the "live" page on our youtube channel? Looks like you need to utilize 3rd party services for this as well?

You can generate the URL for your live stream if you set it up beforehand. You can also set a timer to schedule the stream to go live or do it manually. I’ve done it for when I’d stream my kids’ games to parents who wouldn’t be able to watch it otherwise.

 

[ekricket]

You should offer them a training session beforehand.
Just give them a shitload of smaller chips. They will bet the chips they have, nobody knows you can get change.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Lotta jokes about sorority girls and women in general, but the stream and commentators should be on point and having fun with them. If the sorority markets well, God willing other Greek life orgs will reach out to you or at least come by to play, this is a great idea. Stream part of it is good for event attention but makes me nervous.

Poker players can be an alienating bunch, thats all, and the internet is the internet lol. Dont want a bunch of edgelords in the chat or commenting booth lamenting the play of women learning the game.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Lotta jokes about sorority girls and women in general, but the stream and commentators should be on point and having fun with them. If the sorority markets well, God willing other Greek life orgs will reach out to you or at least come by to play, this is a great idea. Stream part of it is good for event attention but makes me nervous.

Poker players can be an alienating bunch, thats all, and the internet is the internet lol. Dont want a bunch of edgelords in the chat or commenting booth lamenting the play of women learning the game.

For sure we'll be looking to moderate chat and I've selected local professionals including a strong female voice to be in the booth and they'll be aware that many of these ladies are brand new and it's a turbo structure so we aren't expecting Phil Ivey level plays.

As far as the other student groups, I had already reached out but this was the only one to respond. However, a number of them contacted the Coordinator of Student Activities and let him know about my reaching out. He actually works for the University and loved the idea of some invitational events. I would love to have some matchups with fraternities and sororities competing, esports club vs board game club, cheerleaders vs pom squad, etc.

Since we aren't charging the students to participate in these events, the University is onboard with sharing our flyers across the campus and on their social media channels, which will be great exposure. Plus I'm sure the participants will share that they're "gonna be on tv" since we're livestreaming, and this demographic is heavy into social media so that should be great exposure for us as well.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

For sure we'll be looking to moderate chat and I've selected local professionals including a strong female voice to be in the booth and they'll be aware that many of these ladies are brand new and it's a turbo structure so we aren't expecting Phil Ivey level plays.

As far as the other student groups, I had already reached out but this was the only one to respond. However, a number of them contacted the Coordinator of Student Activities and let him know about my reaching out. He actually works for the University and loved the idea of some invitational events. I would love to have some matchups with fraternities and sororities competing, esports club vs board game club, cheerleaders vs pom squad, etc.

Since we aren't charging the students to participate in these events, the University is onboard with sharing our flyers across the campus and on their social media channels, which will be great exposure. Plus I'm sure the participants will share that they're "gonna be on tv" since we're livestreaming, and this demographic is heavy into social media so that should be great exposure for us as well.

Fantastic! Excited for this, great outreach. Sounds like you've got it all covered, great job in the new role.

 

[JustinInMN]

Probably moot by now, but I think in this case, it's better to work the structure and then figure out the starting stacks

18 Minute levels

ET	Level	Blinds
18m	1	200-400
36m	2	300-600
54m	3	400-800
1h04		BREAK 1, 10m
1h22	4	600-1200
1h40	5	800-1600
1h58	6	1200-2400
2h16	7	1600-3200
2h26		BREAK 2, 10m COLOR UP T100 & T500
2h44	8	2000-4000
3h02	9	3000-6000
3h20	10	4000-8000
3h38	11	6000-12000

So I think the desired ending would be Level 9.

So 6K*20 is 120K, divided by 30 players is a 4K starting stack.

If you could live with level 10 that's 8K*20 or 160K desired in play, divided by 30 players is a little more than a 5K starting stack.

If you could live with level 11 knowing that's about the absolute "worst case scenario," but ending on levels 9 or 10 is still likely, that's 12K*20 or a 240K desired in play, divided by 30 players is a 8K starting stack.

10k starting stacks (so 350k in play with 35 players)
10 minute levels

Three hour timeframe is tough, but 10 minute levels should be a non-starter. For tight tournaments, I prefer to just figure out how many levels fit, do a "normal" progression and level time, and then cut the starting stacks to the bone. It's like a tournament that basically "starts" in the middle without a "deep stack" early stage.